Can we defeat homosexuality?

[OzzyKP]

If it bruises your fragile ego to say "choice" then perhaps you'd prefer I describe it as all people are born bisexual and based on a number of factors decide to go one way or the other. Or stick with both.

[Asher]

Originally posted by OzzyKP
If it bruises your fragile ego to say "choice" then perhaps you'd prefer I describe it as all people are born bisexual and based on a number of factors decide to go one way or the other. Or stick with both.

The important thing to bring out of this conversation is you don't know, no one knows, and no one is close to knowing.

Thanks for this thoughtful discussion...

[OzzyKP]

Fair enough.

I do think though that the more the notion of it being genetic is pushed, rightly or wrongly, the more likely someone will work on trying to find a "cure" or "fix" for it. Which, if history is any guide, will result in Magneto taking over Alcatraz and seriously messing up the Golden Gate bridge. And no one wants that.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by OzzyKP
If it bruises your fragile ego to say "choice" then perhaps you'd prefer I describe it as all people are born bisexual and based on a number of factors decide to go one way or the other. Or stick with both.

I'd rather people not talk about things about which they have no idea. It's nothing to do with a bruised ego, it's about getting sick and tired of people telling me how I came about my sexuality.

Given the context of how "it's a choice!" is commonly used, expecting to get anything other than a hostile response from gay people when you call it that is simply stupid. Don't blame others for thoughtless communication on your part.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Nikolai
A few years ago, I was much more liberal. But I believed strongly in God and his word. Slowly I understood what the Bible said. I didn't like it. I still don't. But I believe God's word is true. It tells me that it is a sin, and it tells me I am to love and respect others, even if they hate me. It's hard, both to accept the first and to practice the latter. But I will try. My belief is not an excuse. It's my life.

Do you wear clothing of mixed fabrics/fibers?


EDIT: I just find your self-righteous expression regarding gays and lesbians offensive, regardless of what your answer to my question is.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by OzzyKP
Fair enough.

I do think though that the more the notion of it being genetic is pushed, rightly or wrongly, the more likely someone will work on trying to find a "cure" or "fix" for it. Which, if history is any guide, will result in Magneto taking over Alcatraz and seriously messing up the Golden Gate bridge. And no one wants that.

I believe 100 percent that sexual orientation is not a choice. But I also have arguments on why equal civil rights protection is absolutely acceptable even if given the fallacious idea that sexual orientation is a choice.

Whether or not sexual orienation is a choice (it's not) is irrelevant; gays and lesbians are entitled to equal civil rights protection either way.

[OzzyKP]

I'm pretty sure the question of equal rights was never brought up in this thread. Even the Norwegian doesn't dispute that idea.

But back to the original point brought up in the thread, if you believe that sexual orientation is 100% genetic, do you accept the eventuality where genetic engineering and parent choice will greatly reduce homosexuality?

[SlowwHand]

It's not a choice, that's been proven. It's a genetic thing.
Just the way a person is made, which means it's no mistake.

[OzzyKP]

There is no reason to infer it is a mistake if it is a choice.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by OzzyKP
I'm pretty sure the question of equal rights was never brought up in this thread. Even the Norwegian doesn't dispute that idea.

But back to the original point brought up in the thread, if you believe that sexual orientation is 100% genetic, do you accept the eventuality where genetic engineering and parent choice will greatly reduce homosexuality?

I have some fear of this possibility, yes. But I would not find it to be acceptable.

[SlowwHand]

Originally posted by OzzyKP
There is no reason to infer it is a mistake if it is a choice.

The point is, it's not a choice, Ozzy.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
It's not a choice, that's been proven. It's a genetic thing.
Just the way a person is made, which means it's no mistake.

I don't see anything wrong with my being gay. So I don't see myself viewing this as a mistake were we to accept the fallacy that sexual orientation is a choice.

But, I really do not think you meant any offense with this post.

[SlowwHand]

How could it possibly be twisted into an insult?
I said it's just the way you're wired. I said it's no mistake. Ergo, God knows about it, so it isn't bad. He did it.
What exactly do you want in the way of support? To join your team? Well, vise-versa. I'm not wired that way. Quit condemning me.

[MrFun]

Then I misunderstood. I thought you were claiming that if sexual orientation WAS a choice, then that it would be a mistake for someone to choose to be gay.

[onodera]

Pekka's answer was the best so far.
And OzzyKP successfully separated the idea of my post from the trolling style of it.