Can we defeat homosexuality?

[Q Classic]

Originally posted by Nikolai


You edited this in after I posted. Was that pointed at me? If so, you've misunderstood gravely...

No, not you, since you weren't the one who seemed to suggest that fags agitating for legal marriage recognition as well as equal treatment were somehow no better than radical Islamists who murder Dutch film directors.

And you're not the one posting a study that states the exact opposite of your claims, yet continually aver that it supports your position.

And you're not a dull-witted convert, so far as I can tell.

Note that I specifically stated that it was the OP doing that very same thing, taking affront when someone pushed back at his claims. And note that I said the only difference was that he wasn't hiding behind religion.

[Q Classic]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
And lumping all of us together as the "Co" in "MrFun & co" is even worse.

Indeed. I'm no Fun at all.

[Nikolai]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


Calling it a "sin" and a "result of man's fall" isn't any better.

And lumping all of us together as the "Co" in "MrFun & co" is even worse.

I wrote "% co" as MrFun was one of the first one to respond. Nothing ill meant, and I apologize if that is seen as arrogant. I call it a sin and a result of man's fall, because it is according to my religion. I would wish it wasn't so, since it cause so much unnecessary hard feelings and even hate from Christians. We have no right. But I can't go against what I belive to be true. I do believe it wasn't meant to be like this. That does not, however, grant me the right to harass or otherwise hurt my fellow humans. I reserve the right to express my belief though, although I wish it wasn't so, my belief in God's word give me no choice.

But what so many forget, is that most things in life is corrupted, we lie and steal, lust for other people, male and female. We kill, pollute our environment, we abstain from loving each other. We are all sinners, in the meaning we do things that are wrong. Some things we know are wrong, some things we don't. We don't live as we should. That is true for me, it's true for you. It's true for all of us. I think you can agree with me on that, even if you don't believe in my God or morality.

But I get carried away. What I believe is wrong or right is not that important. Nor what you belive. What is important is that we respect each other and love each other. Not in theory, but in practice. I must be able to disagree with you, and you with me, and say so, but none of us should detest the other. I know I don't. I disagree with homosexuals on this subject, but I have no problem going along with them, be friends with them, love them. The Bible tells me that homosexuality is not what God intended and that it is a sin. But more important, it tells me that I should love everyone, every single one, since we're all loved by God. I have no right to condemn you, to hate or detest you. God tells me not to. He tells me to love others as myself, for you are just as much loved as I am, or the girl next door. I have the right to disagree with your choices though, but why would that matter more here than in other places in life? Not that I don't feel and think and perceive things wrong, we all do. We're sinners after all. We do things to each other that we shouldn't do. This applies to all parts of live. Isn't that right?


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Whew, that became a long post. I probably did not do the topic justice. But that is all we can do, try.

[Nikolai]

Originally posted by Q Classic

No, not you, since you weren't the one who seemed to suggest that fags agitating for legal marriage recognition as well as equal treatment were somehow no better than radical Islamists who murder Dutch film directors.

And you're not the one posting a study that states the exact opposite of your claims, yet continually aver that it supports your position.

And you're not a dull-witted convert, so far as I can tell.

Note that I specifically stated that it was the OP doing that very same thing, taking affront when someone pushed back at his claims. And note that I said the only difference was that he wasn't hiding behind religion.

Good. I know very well my religion has parts which is deemed offensive to homosexuals. And that my faith in that religion makes people often think I hate them. But it is not true. As I said in my long (and probably ill-written) post above, I have no right to.

[Nikolai]

Originally posted by Asher
Yeah, Nikolai is the most offensive person in this thread.

I've said it before, I'll say it again, Norway is the dog **** people step in on their way to Europe.

From you, that's almost a compliment.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Nikolai
I call it a sin and a result of man's fall, because it is according to my religion.

I don't find that an acceptable excuse. You can choose your religion, after all.

[Jon Miller]

It's not an excuse.

JM

[Pekka]

Oh come on guys. This thing here going down right now is no surprise to all, you all know the turns and twists on it, so why not just skip the whole thing? I mean there's like a script ready for this already.

[Q Classic]

Yes, but we want to see the directorial choices, and how the producers will **** it up. (Or vice versa.)

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
It's not an excuse.

JM

Sure it is. Religion is a fabrication of man, and people choose to follow a particular religion based on how it appeals to their values (unless they are the unthinking morons who adhere to a religion simply because they were raised under it). Saying, "I don't like this, but my religion says it and therefore it's not ME, it's not MY fault I have to believe this" is simply bull****. It's passing the buck to an invisible, unknowable entity with the idea that we who are on the receiving end of being compared to murderers, thieves and rapists based on who we find attractive will just cheerfully say "oh okay!" and move along. I'm tired of doing that.

[Nikolai]

A few years ago, I was much more liberal. But I believed strongly in God and his word. Slowly I understood what the Bible said. I didn't like it. I still don't. But I believe God's word is true. It tells me that it is a sin, and it tells me I am to love and respect others, even if they hate me. It's hard, both to accept the first and to practice the latter. But I will try. My belief is not an excuse. It's my life.

[OzzyKP]

The OP is the inevitable outcome of the insistence by many that homosexuality is inborn and genetic. All the GLBT orgs who strenuously insist that being gay isn't a choice are dooming themselves ultimately.

But I believe it is a choice, so I don't think there will be a way to program someone to be straight by gene tinkering.

If it truly is genetic, then very, very few couples, if given a choice, will have gay kids. Even the most progressive & tolerant folks would still want grandkids.

[Asher]

Originally posted by OzzyKP
The OP is the inevitable outcome of the insistence by many that homosexuality is inborn and genetic. All the GLBT orgs who strenuously insist that being gay isn't a choice are dooming themselves ultimately.

They're not dooming themselves unless you think there will be government regulations to test for and prevent these genes from being passed, and if that happens, I'm movin...

[OzzyKP]

The government certainly won't require it, but I can't imagine the government stopping it either. So then it comes down to a question of whether most heterosexual couples will want heterosexual kids or not. My guess is they will.

[Boris Godunov]

Not to mention that "not being a choice" does not necessitate it being a function of pure genetics, either. Yet another idiot who thinks I just one day decided "I like ****!"