Nationwide protest against Proposition 8 tomorrow.

[Naked Gents Rut]

I'm not going to argue your side for you. Put up or shut up.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Naked Gents Rut


Japan, China, Germany. Many European countries, in fact. Pretty much any society that developed without much ideological influence from the American or French revolutions.

Germany developed without much ideological influence from the French Revolution?

You study management, right?

[Naked Gents Rut]

Yes, the German state has certainly been a beacon of liberty, equality and fraternity throughout its history.

[Heraclitus]

You do realize that without Napoleonic wars nationalism may have not developed the way it did?


Nationalism and Liberalism where the two concepts that made a grand debut in Europe with the French revolution.


PS: Yes ideas like equaltiy or nationalism had no infulence on China.


Edit: Should have read thread. Now that I have I regret posting in this non-disscusion.

[MrFun]

Just so I understand the definition of democracy better I want to use another example and see if this is correct.

Say the majority of Americans decide that blacks no longer have the right to life and the majority of voters vote in favor of genocide to exterminate blacks. Then technically, this is a legitimate democratic process, right?

[MrFun]

This is a link to information on religious support for equal marriage protection for gays and lesbians. Advocates here point out that extending legal marriage protection for gay couples will NOT compel churches to marry gay couples and they also talk about the difference between religious and civil ceremony in getting married.

Religious support for equal marriage protection.


This other website offers a list of arguments against legal protection of marriage for gay and lesbian couples and then presents rational counter-arguments to such pointers.

Arguments and counter-arguments on equal marriage rights.

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by MrFun
This is a link to information on religious support for equal marriage protection for gays and lesbians. Advocates here point out that extending legal marriage protection for gay couples will NOT compel churches to marry gay couples and they also talk about the difference between religious and civil ceremony in getting married.

Religious support for equal marriage protection.

Odd, there's no mention of the Protestant Episcopal Church. Given that PECUSA has gay clergy and a gay bishop I would presume that same sex marriages are performed, at least on a diocese or parish basis.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Say the majority of Americans decide that blacks no longer have the right to life and the majority of voters vote in favor of genocide to exterminate blacks. Then technically, this is a legitimate democratic process, right?

Yes.

[Heraclitus]

Democracy without limits would be mob rule, that's why we have consitutions, representatives of minorities ect.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
Odd, there's no mention of the Protestant Episcopal Church. Given that PECUSA has gay clergy and a gay bishop I would presume that same sex marriages are performed, at least on a diocese or parish basis.

It depends on when that website was last updated. Maybe this was before the change with PECUSA?

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Say the majority of Americans decide that blacks no longer have the right to life and the majority of voters vote in favor of genocide to exterminate blacks. Then technically, this is a legitimate democratic process, right?

Yes.

Okay.

So my next question is would Drake support genocide of blacks in the spirit of supporting democracy for democracy's sake.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Naked Gents Rut
Yes, the German state has certainly been a beacon of liberty, equality and fraternity throughout its history.

I will be charitable and assume you're trolling.

[MrFun]

Oh, and when Drake has answered my question, he can also go back to another recent post of mine where I have linked to more arguments on the just cause for equal marriage rights protection.

[Lefty Scaevola]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
Given that PECUSA has gay clergy and a gay bishop I would presume that same sex marriages are performed, at least on a diocese or parish basis.

You presume wrong.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Heraclitus
Democracy without limits would be mob rule, that's why we have consitutions, representatives of minorities ect.

If the citizens don't have respect for each other you don't really have a democracy, even with a constitution and representation.