Fags are the new ******s.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by MrFun
The alliance between bigoted liberals and bigoted conservatives on social issues needs to be broken up ASAP.

Anyone have ideas on how to go about this? Education efforts? Illustrating the hypocrisy of homophobic blacks on civil rights issues?

Stop voting for candidates that don't support your movement (I use this term loosely).

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by MrFun
The alliance between bigoted liberals and bigoted conservatives on social issues needs to be broken up ASAP.

Anyone have ideas on how to go about this? Education efforts? Illustrating the hypocrisy of homophobic blacks on civil rights issues?

Martyrs. You need more martyrs. Yes, I'm actually serious. Martyrs were very important to the Civil Rights movement, they helped change the minds of fence sitters and even some of the less extreme opponents.

[Darius871]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
Martyrs. You need more martyrs. Yes, I'm actually serious. Martyrs were very important to the Civil Rights movement, they helped change the minds of fence sitters and even some of the less extreme opponents.

I, for one, nominate MrFun for the job.

[MrFun]

I love you too, Darius.

[Naked Gents Rut]

There aren't going to be any martyrs. Homosexuals have it ****ing sweet in our society, much better than blacks had it during the civil rights movement.

[MrFun]

The fact that gays and lesbians face less severe discrimination than blacks does not mean that we have all our civil rights protection intact.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by MrFun
The fact that gays and lesbians face less severe discrimination than blacks does not mean that we have all our civil rights protection intact.

Yes, but it does indicate that it would be appropriate not to behave as if prejudice against homosexuals is the most pressing problem in our societies. In general, the homosexual rights movement has been notable for pitching its criticisms at the appropriate level. Radical feminists, to take an example, would have you think that every woman is raped and beaten once a week.

Having said that, there are other groups who whine far more and have it much much better than gay people. Have they no shame?

[Lefty Scaevola]

Originally posted by Comrade Snuggles
They could claim it violates the U.S. Constitution.

That is so clearly a loser, the most hopeful of them are not trying it.

[Q Classic]

Originally posted by Agathon
think that every woman is raped and beaten once a week.

They're not?

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Darius871


How could legal challenges possibly strike down an amendment referendum? Only the USSC could supersede a state constitution, unless there's some obscure technicality I'm not aware of.

They're claiming that the amendment process wasn't properly followed and therefor prop 8 is invalid. I just don't see that line of argument working.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
Martyrs. You need more martyrs. Yes, I'm actually serious. Martyrs were very important to the Civil Rights movement, they helped change the minds of fence sitters and even some of the less extreme opponents.

Remember Matthew Shepard!

Seriously, Dr S is absolutely correct. Until the BGLT communities put everything on the line to get their full rights, they will not get them. Power concedes nothing without a fight. Only those willing to die for their rights get them.

[Q Classic]

I'm trying to imagine the fabulous gay suicide bombers, but I don't know who'd enjoy those blow jobs. Besides, all the potential targets kinda suck.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Oerdin


They're claiming that the amendment process wasn't properly followed and therefor prop 8 is invalid. I just don't see that line of argument working.

So, you think basic fundamental rights should be put to a simple vote of the majority?

[Japher]

How is marriage a fundamental right?

[Asher]

Is sitting at the front of the bus a fundamental right?

I'm curious where we draw the line.