Fags are the new ******s.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Deity Dude

Pointless Fraternity/Sorority stuff
.

That was a whole lot of typing that fundamentally was irrelevant.

If a sorority decided to call itself a fraternity, would any law stop them from doing so?

[Deity Dude]

Even though some white racists considered blacks to be sub-human and therefore incapable of marrying whites doesn't change the generally accepted definition of marriage (i.e. heterosexual union). And I never heard anyone propose what you are saying because by definition the union you describe is a marriage. Many people tried to forbid that type of marriage but even they would call it a marriage.

You and many others here continue to mix up the definition of a word with the noble agenda you seek.

Blacks and whites should have equal rights but we don't deny the fact that blacks are primarily of African origin and thus quite often use the term African-American to describe them. We don't call blacks Caucasians in an attempt to ensure they will have the same rights as whites. We simply say that all humans should have the same rights.

Now if over time, the definition of marriage migrates to the point where it is generally accepted to include same sex unions then thats fine. But I don't think the government should bi in the business of a legislating the English language. They should ensure equal rights.

And frankly, it is a lot of wasted energy in the wrong direction. Someone earlier said that "Gay Marriage" would be acceptable but not civil union. So that means they don't even mind a differentiation in the term based on sexual preference. They just insist that the term marriage be used. It sounds to me that those people are more hung-up on the term marriage than the people they accuse of being hung up on it.

[Deity Dude]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


That was a whole lot of typing that fundamentally was irrelevant.

If a sorority decided to call itself a fraternity, would any law stop them from doing so?

No, but a university doesn't have to change the wording of its charter because a sorority wants to call themselves a fraternity. Especially when the word used in the charter (sorority) is the generally accepted and non-derogatory word.

I would never make a law stopping someone from calling themselves what they want. Like I said gay couples can call themselves married. The government, however, shouldn't be required to change the definition of a word every time a group rightfully seeks equal rights. Because the word does not give equal rights, it only describes the situation.

If you read all of my "pointless type" you would have seen where I said anyone can call themselves or their union anything they want.

[Deity Dude]

BTW Boris I notice you didn't have any answer for my pointless stuff. Its a very common tactic in an argument to call the other person point pointless when you don't have a good answer.

[GePap]

The thread title is wrong - homosexuals have always faced greater discrimination than racial minorities.

[Jaguar]

Originally posted by GePap
The thread title is wrong - homosexuals have always faced greater discrimination than racial minorities.

Well, no, but only because they can't be readily identified. If they were easily identifiable they'd be toast.

[Q Classic]

So, wait.

"Fags are the old ******s"?

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Deity Dude
Even though some white racists considered blacks to be sub-human and therefore incapable of marrying whites doesn't change the generally accepted definition of marriage (i.e. heterosexual union). And I never heard anyone propose what you are saying because by definition the union you describe is a marriage. Many people tried to forbid that type of marriage but even they would call it a marriage.

We're talking about legal definitions here.

If interracial marriage is prohibited by LAW, then it is legally defined as only being between people of the same race.

Since entire states had laws banning interracial marriage, in those states, the definition of marriage was two people of the same race only.

So answer the ****ing question: How do you think a mixed race couple would respond to being told they could get "interracial unions," but not marriage as a means of fixing the injustice of the LAW that they endured?

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Deity Dude
BTW Boris I notice you didn't have any answer for my pointless stuff. Its a very common tactic in an argument to call the other person point pointless when you don't have a good answer.

No, you even described for yourself in your first response that it wasn't a relevant example. Wasting time on poorly thought-out hypothetical scenarios that actually aren't relevant to the situation at hand is the only tactic being employed here.

[Sirotnikov]

Re: Fags are the new ******s.

Originally posted by Oerdin
...claimed that blacks were both lazy & stupid while at the same time ingenious in their ability to get out of work and tireless in their pursuit of white women. ...

well one thing gays aren't doing, is pursuing our white women.

[Patroklos]

No, but that doesn't exist in any state. There are far too many rights, responsibilities, and privileges associated with "marriage" to the exclusion of "civil unions".

What should happen is marriage should be purely outside of the realm of government. The government can provide Civil Union certificates which can form the basis for ANY and ALL legal issues, while churches can marry whoever they wish to...

Spot on. I've been saying this for years.

Many of us have.

Oerdin

[Asher]

Originally posted by Jaguar

Well, no, but only because they can't be readily identified. If they were easily identifiable they'd be toast.

They can easily be identified. You just know what to look for.

I've identified at least 3 gay/bi/bi-curious Apolytoners from pictures alone. I'm close to 98% accurate when I meet in person too.

It's a survival trait.

[Elok]

Re: Re: Fags are the new ******s.

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
well one thing gays aren't doing, is pursuing our white women.

What about the lesbians? Won't someone please think of the lesbians???

EDIT: Also, now I have Uncle Ruckus's "Don't Trust Them New ******s Over There" from the Garden Party episode of Boondocks in my head. Not that I'm complaining, since I thought that was an amusing episode...but I may have cause to complain if I start singing it in public.

[Guynemer]

Originally posted by Asher
I've identified at least 3 gay/bi/bi-curious Apolytoners from pictures alone. I'm close to 98% accurate when I meet in person too.

David Floyd, Ben Kenobi, and Michael the Great.

I'm right, aren't I?

[Guynemer]

Re: Re: Re: Fags are the new ******s.

Originally posted by Elok

EDIT: Also, now I have Uncle Ruckus's "Don't Trust Them New ******s Over There" from the Garden Party episode of Boondocks in my head. Not that I'm complaining, since I thought that was an amusing episode...but I may have cause to complain if I start singing it in public.

Classic.

"You were having that dream about telling white people the truth again, weren't you?" (Or something like that, been a while... may have to pop in the DVD tomorrow now that I'm thinking about it.)