Race may account for 6 pts. in election

[DanS]

Regardless, this refrain is a positive for Obama -- i.e., his perceived race is a positive for him outside of African-American circles.

[Impaler[WrG]]

The whole premise of taking this survey result as a detriment to Obama is rather ridiculous. Their asking people about their Prejudices, their opinions about a group in aggregate. A person can believe that a group at large has one attribute but that an individual in the group is the reverse, Polling shows that people have a high favorability of Obama, they might actually be judging him on his policy positions rather then his race. People have opinions on all groups to allow them to have a quick 'knee-jerk' reaction but people aren't robots they develop opinions of individuals which supersede the group onion, Obama has clearly gone through that process and people have Obama opinions independent of their black opinion.

[DaShi]

Yup, my grandfather is a big, admitted racist. He even throws away the sports page of his newspaper when bringing it in, because he doesn't want to see the black people in it. "Uppity" is commonly used. However, he'll still vote for Obama over McCain. He's not stupid.

[Kidlicious]

I can see how an prejudice independent would voter for McCain because he's white in this election. Dashi's grandfather is obviously a democrat, right?

[DaShi]

He's fairly conservative, but he's just sick of what the republicans have done over the last eight years, especially the war.

Or maybe he's just learned to not trust whitey, like me.

[Q Classic]

Originally posted by Naked Gents Rut


Exactly.

Yeah. Elitsts do ******y things like looking at all sides of the argument and then using their reason to come to a conclusion, rather than their gut on deciding what's right, and then they have the gall to look down on those who use their gut instead.

Those ****ers.

I mean, what the **** is arugula? And why do those gay elitist ***** like goat cheese so much?

[Naked Gents Rut]

Elitsts do ******y things like looking at all sides of the argument and then using their reason to come to a conclusion, rather than their gut on deciding what's right

You obviously haven't spent much time around elites. Ivy League grads don't use reason to make decisions much more often than rednecks do. The only difference is one side's knee-jerk reaction is liberal and the other's is conservative.

[Q Classic]

Well, yes, Naked. But that's not what the non-elites tend to think, otherwise the term "intellectual" and "elite" wouldn't be perjoratives these days.

[rmsharpe]

Originally posted by Kidicious
Republicans are pitifull. The evidence is there. Republicans are racist. Duh! You have to be a complete idiot to not know that in the first place. As for blacks only an idiot would call them racist for wanting just ONE black president instead of an endless stream of whtey.

Because the WHITE MAN is keeping them down!

[Alinestra Covelia]

Originally posted by Comrade Snuggles
Lancer's statistics are made up.

So are 45% of all statistics.

[Lancer]

My stats are bogus.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by rmsharpe

Because #$% is keeping them down!

If they won't vote for a black man for president what makes you think they aren't keeping them down?

[David Floyd]

Here's an interesting question. Given that blacks typically vote Democrat, what if the parties were reversed in this election? What if Obama/Biden was the Republican ticket, and McCain/Palin the Democratic ticket?

Theben/che especially, do you think that the Republicans would get a lot more than 20% of the black vote in this situation? I certainly do. If racism is a problem, it's a problem across all races - in my experience, blacks are at least as racist as whites are. So are Asians, and so are Hispanics.

[Jon Miller]

As I said, the reason why we are pointing out white racism in this situation is that it is what is changing their vote. Black racism is not.

JM

[Theben]

Originally posted by David Floyd
If racism is a problem, it's a problem across all races - in my experience, blacks are at least as racist as whites are. So are Asians, and so are Hispanics.

Haven't I been saying that for years now? I take it you ignore what I say.

As for reversing the ticket, I imagine there would be more blacks voting republican, I doubt 20% though. My point isn't so much about the election in this matter, it's that people, usually right-wingers, seem to think blacks have gotten far enough along that things like affirmative action are no longer needed. They based this argument soley on the "fact" that there's no more or little racism in this country... the poll shows otherwise.