Obama and Abortion

[GePap]

Originally posted by Lorizael


But why draw that arbitrary line at all? Jesus H. ****ing Christ Almighty On A Stick. The only way to get rid of sexism in society is by not making decisions based on sex alone. As long as we keep acknowledging differences between the sexes and letting those differences affect how we treat each other, sexism will exist.

Sexism exists when you state that someone's sex is a determining factor for something when it is strongly argueable that it is not. Examples are saying a woman can't lead the country, or that a man can't be as good a parent as a woman.

Claiming that men and women are equal with regards to the matter of getting pregnant is not egalitarianism, it is insanity.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Lorizael


I just want to record this sentence for posterity.

Here's the difference between people like Gepap and I who tend to be liberal, and people like you and Elok, who tend to be conservative. That is, that you think that you can understand the way people feel even though you have never been in a similar circumstance with them and/or, you aren't significantly like them. We don't. What we do do is have respect for those people.

This applies to the Stupid Hollywood Bimbo thread as well. Good, I don't have to post the same thing in both.

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by Kidicious
Here's the difference between people like Gepap and I who tend to be liberal, and people like you and Elok, who tend to be conservative. That is, that you think that you can understand the way people feel even though you have never been in a similar circumstance with them and/or, you aren't significantly like them. We don't. What we do do is have respect for those people.

This applies to the Stupid Hollywood Bimbo thread as well. Good, I don't have to post the same thing in both.

You think I'm conservative?

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by GePap
Sexism exists when you state that someone's sex is a determining factor for something when it is strongly argueable that it is not. Examples are saying a woman can't lead the country, or that a man can't be as good a parent as a woman.

Claiming that men and women are equal with regards to the matter of getting pregnant is not egalitarianism, it is insanity.

Careful. I didn't say you were being sexist or that acknowledging those differences is sexist. All I said is that the only way to get rid of sexism is to stop acknowledging those differences. As long as humans continue to identify people based on sex, we will have the foundation for making sexist decisions.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Lorizael




You think I'm conservative?

In this thread you are. I said you tend to be conservative.

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by Kidicious
In this thread you are. I said you tend to be conservative.

I think women should be allowed to have abortions whenever they want. I also think men should be allowed to shoot pregnant women. I also think that it's okay to play catch with aborted fetuses, regardless of whether or not those playing catch are men or women.

I'm completely amoral when it comes to the issue of abortion. I just have particular ideas about the issue of abortion when it concerns my hypothetical utopia.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Lorizael


But why draw that arbitrary line at all? Jesus H. ****ing Christ Almighty On A Stick. The only way to get rid of sexism in society is by not making decisions based on sex alone. As long as we keep acknowledging differences between the sexes and letting those differences affect how we treat each other, sexism will exist.

What you don't get is that sexism is more than just judging people according to their sex. You aren't going to get rid of sexism by not doing that. That's because you don't have the capability to think or feel the way a women does. Therefore you can't say things like abortion is immoral because if I were a women I wouldn't do it. You aren't a women, so you can't do that.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Lorizael
All I said is that the only way to get rid of sexism is to stop acknowledging those differences. As long as humans continue to identify people based on sex, we will have the foundation for making sexist decisions.

Ignoring facts is no way to make rational or intelligible policy. You can't ignore, nor should you ignore, the differences between the sexes. Sexism doesn't come from acknowledging those differences that do exist, it comes from inventing differences where they don't exist.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Lorizael


I think women should be allowed to have abortions whenever they want.

In that case, kindly STFU then so that Gepap and I can handle this.

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by GePap
Ignoring facts is no way to make rational or intelligible policy. You can't ignore, nor should you ignore, the differences between the sexes. Sexism doesn't come from acknowledging those differences that do exist, it comes from inventing differences where they don't exist.

No, sexism comes from two basic truths: (1) Humans have a tendency to categorize items based on physical appearances and (2) those in power will do whatever it takes to maintain their power.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Lorizael


No, sexism comes from two basic truths: (1) Humans have a tendency to categorize items based on physical appearances and (2) those in power will do whatever it takes to maintain their power.

And you think the power of thought will somehow wash away these fundamental human traits that we evolved with?

Well, I don't. I fully acknowledge the basic and obvious physiologial differences between male and female members of the human species. I also know enough about them to understand when they matter, and when they don't. I would hope to live in a society that shared this knowledge.

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


So abortion doctors are really executioners?

The trouble with your analogy is that whereas capital punishment is forced to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, there are no such restrictions with respect to abortion.

Does the unborn child get to have a trial? Or is she summarily executed without one? If abortion is merely state sanctioned murder, then what stops the state from killing any one of us, just because we are inconvenient or unwanted or a burden on society?

Well Ben the RCC is against the death penalty as well so your affiliation is intellectually coherent on that point.

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by Ramo
To a degree, yes. On what other basis would we deny other animals rights of personhood?

I wouldn't.


I support the great ape project and think that killing whales is barbaric.



I like intellectual integrity.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Kidicious
In that case, kindly STFU then so that Gepap and I can handle this.

So, he can't have an opinion on the matter because he agrees on the ends of your argument and not on how you get there?

I also agree women should have abortions whenever they want. So suck on it .

And btw, we are all men here, so what are even doing having this discussion then according to your viewpoint?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Kidicious
You aren't going to get rid of sexism by not doing that. That's because you don't have the capability to think or feel the way a women does. Therefore you can't say things like abortion is immoral because if I were a women I wouldn't do it. You aren't a women, so you can't do that.

What about saying abortion is immoral because the fetus is a life?

When you are done knocking down strawmen, please answer that.