Palin says 17-year-old daughter is pregnant!

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by DanS
What has Obama accomplished during that time period? The Obama campaign has had ample opportunity to discuss his accomplishments, but I've not heard anything noteworthy so far.

He's managed to steamroller over the Clinton Machine from a standing start...

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Obama has 8 years in the IL state Senate

So what? Are you going to quote the fact that he's a community organizer next?

and 4 years in the US Senate including holding a position on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

2 years of which he's been running for President. As forthe bit about the campaign, running a campaign isn't the same as running a country unless you'd like to say that Bush is a better prez than Kerry or Gore would have been.

[DanS]

Standing start? Don't be naive. He's been running for president since he's been in the Senate.

I can't even think of any legislative accomplishments for him. Maybe you folks can help me out here.

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
...unless you'd like to say that Bush is a better prez than Kerry or Gore would have been.

He said 'Bush' and 'better president' in the same sentence...

[Patroklos]

Go Patty, towing the party line to the depths of stupidity and up to the heights of ridiculousness.

So you are saying she is not the only one with executive experience then? Do you understand the difference between executive and legislative experience?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by MOBIUS

Well he is the one that brought up the strength of his campagn staff as a barometer of Obama's experience, I just wanted to show him how stupid that was.

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by DanS
Standing start? Don't be naive. He's been running for president since he's been in the Senate.

I'm trying to empathise with the American public and their relative introduction to him compared with the Clintons, to emphasise my point actually...

So naive is frankly a massive compliment for them!

[DanS]

Drudge helpfully points out that the New York Times had 3 stories on Palin's daughter on the front page of this morning's edition.

Oh how the New York Times has fallen.

[Elok]

Originally posted by MOBIUS
He said 'Bush' and 'better president' in the same sentence...

Your rampant smiley abuse notwithstanding, there's not much funny about "Thomas Jefferson was a better president than Bush."

[Dinner]

Originally posted by DanS
What has Obama accomplished during that time period? The Obama campaign has had ample opportunity to discuss his accomplishments, but I've not heard anything noteworthy so far.

His legislative work on the Illinois Death Penalty, and how he made a difference between life and death:

http://www.icadp.org/page236.html

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/12/obama.death.penalty.ap

His sponsorship of a bill that brought health insurance to 150,000, including 70,000 uninsured Children, again, during his time serving in the Illinois Statehouse:

http://factcheck.barackobama.com/factcheck/2007/12/14/fact_check_on_milbanks_claim_t.php

http://mediamatters.org/items/200712170003

His work on both the Immigration bill during his time in the US senate and his sponsorship of Ethics legislation (something he did both while in the State House, and in the Senate) that called for some of the most impactful reform regarding lobbyists since Watergate (as he likes to term it):

http://factcheck.barackobama.com/factcheck/2007/12/14/fact_check_on_milbanks_claim_t.php

http://feingold.senate.gov/~feingold/releases/07/01/20070108.html

Here’s a chart of many of his accomplishments during his 8 years in the Illinois state house -


and his sponsored and co sponsored Bills in the U.S. Senate.......which include worthwhile bills dealing with a wide range of issues, from Election reform bills to the Cooperative Proliferation Detection reduction Act (w/t Sen. Lugar) to Internet database transparency Act.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/271

http://www.america.gov/st/washfile-english/2005/November/20051101170118adynned0.8910791.html

http://obama.senate.gov/press/060908-senate_passes_c

http://thomas.loc.gov/ (Select Obama’s name from the Senator drop down)

This does not lists all of his accomplishments, nor does it deals with his accomplishments prior to entering elected office.

[Dinner]

http://www.obama08-wa.com/files/experience.pdf

[DanS]

Sponsorship and co-sponsorship of bills are extremely weak as far as accomplishments go. I thought that was clear. Does he have any laws to his name? Are there any Obama Acts?

[Dinner]

In a nut shell I found:

Senator Obama has sponsored or co-sponsored 570 bills in the 109th and 110th Congress.

Senator Obama has sponsored or co-sponsored 15 bills that have become LAW since he joined the Senate in 2005.

Senator Obama has also introduced amendments to 50 bills, of which 16 were adopted by the Senate.

His record is in fact quite impressive for a junior Senator from Illinois.

Most of his legislative effort has been in the areas of:

* Energy Efficiency and Climate Change (25 bills)
* Health care (21 bills) and public health (20 bills)
* Consumer protection/labor (14 bills)
* The needs of Veterans and the Armed Forces (13 bills)
* Congressional Ethics and Accountability (12 bills)
* Foreign Policy (10 bills)
* Voting and Elections (9 bills)
* Education (7 bills)
* Hurricane Katrina Relief (6)
* The Environment (5 bills)
* Homeland Security (4 bills)
* Discrimination (4 bills)

And the full details including bill numbers? Keep reading. I promise you will be impressed!

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/07/obamas-senate-accomplishments.php

[Theben]

Originally posted by Dry

This shouldn't have anything to do with the election.

If the Dems try to make an issue of it, it will backfire.

Of course, if this was the Dem VP candidate's daughter, it would be proof of the failure of librul values. As it's the Republicans, it's all good, since they "reacted well."

-Arrian

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09...alin/index.html

quote:
"Let me be as clear as possible," Obama said. "I think people's families are off-limits, and people's children are especially off-limits. This shouldn't be part of our politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin's performance as governor or her potential performance as a vice president."

Obama said reporters should "back off these kinds of stories" and noted that he was born to an 18-year-old mother.

"How a family deals with issues and teenage children, that shouldn't be the topic of our politics, and I hope that anybody who is supporting me understands that's off-limits."

True, but let's not forget good ol' Rush Limbaugh and his "White House dog" comment toward Chelsea Clinton. Where was the Republican outrage then? I couldn't hear it over all their laughing.

Repugs have no moral high ground here.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by DanS
Sponsorship and co-sponsorship of bills are extremely weak as far as accomplishments go. I thought that was clear. Does he have any laws to his name? Are there any Obama Acts?

That's retarded. If sponsorship & cosponsorship of Congressional bills doesn't count then you're basically claiming that no one in Congress has ever accomplished anything.