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  • #31
    Originally posted by Asher
    I think Obama's speech more made the case that McCain might be a good guy, and is a patriot, he's just clueless. Which as far as I can tell, is the same for almost all Republicans.

    The whole modern party is founded on the trickle-down theory of economics, which I'm pretty sure has been established is false...
    That might be true. McCain, after 26 years in the Senate, may actually have no knowledge of the workings of Government. Clearly Obama has the advantage of looking in from the outside. His two years in Federal government thankfully has not blinded him to how the government actually works!

    Although it is also clear that McCain has broken with Bush on Iraq. Bush has clearly grown tiered of killing brown people...McCain is just getting started!

    Once McCain impoverishes us some more with additional drops in real wages, then we will really be ready to kill brown people.

    This must not be allowed to happen! I also simply cannot wait to see Obama diplomatically talk a charging Russian tank into stopping on a dime!

    This is going to be a cool presidentcy!!
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    • #32
      Originally posted by PLATO
      That might be true. McCain, after 26 years in the Senate, may actually have no knowledge of the workings of Government.
      I'm not saying he doesn't know how to exploit the system and get paid by lobbyists.

      I'm saying he's an intellectual light weight with massive gaps of understanding when it comes to geopolitical situations (his lack of knowledge of the Middle East, for instance) to economics (his atrociously stupid plans to deal with the new energy crisis).

      Just because he's part of the old establishment in government doesn't mean he's smart.
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      • #33
        Palin is looking more and more the case, several major news sources now quote the same strategist (whether or not they are all quoting each other, of course, is another question)...
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        • #34
          Originally posted by Asher

          I'm not saying he doesn't know how to exploit the system and get paid by lobbyists.

          I'm saying he's an intellectual light weight with massive gaps of understanding when it comes to geopolitical situations (his lack of knowledge of the Middle East, for instance) to economics (his atrociously stupid plans to deal with the new energy crisis).

          Just because he's part of the old establishment in government doesn't mean he's smart.
          Exactly! Stupid old man. Move over for the messiah!

          New ideas now! Let's change the most successful country in the history of the world!

          Do it now!!!
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          • #35
            Originally posted by PLATO
            Exactly! Stupid old man. Move over for the messiah!

            New ideas now! Let's change the most successful country in the history of the world!

            Do it now!!!
            You were far from the most successful country in the history of the world in the past 8 years. Far from it.
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            • #36
              August 29, 2008
              McCain names Sarah Palin as surprise VP choice
              Posted: 10:40 AM ET

              From CNN's Dana Bash and John King

              (CNN) – A senior John McCain campaign official told CNN that Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin
              will be McCain's running mate.

              Palin, 44, is a first-term governor who unseated incumbent Gov. Frank Murkowski in the Republican primary in 2006 and went on to defeat former Gov. Tony Knowles, a Democrat, in the general election.

              An advocate of drilling for oil in her state's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, she is little known outside of Alaska.
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              • #37
                Originally posted by Grandpa Troll
                August 29, 2008
                McCain names Sarah Palin as surprise VP choice
                Posted: 10:40 AM ET

                From CNN's Dana Bash and John King

                (CNN) – A senior John McCain campaign official told CNN that Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin
                will be McCain's running mate.

                Palin, 44, is a first-term governor who unseated incumbent Gov. Frank Murkowski in the Republican primary in 2006 and went on to defeat former Gov. Tony Knowles, a Democrat, in the general election.

                An advocate of drilling for oil in her state's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, she is little known outside of Alaska.
                This is so awesome!!!

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                • #38
                  Kudos to McCain on probably the best choice he could have made.

                  I've been saying Pawlenty was the guy for weeks now because of the scandal Palin's caught up in (as Ramo mentioned, she got her soon-to-be-if-not-already ex-brother-in-law fired from his state job because of the contentiousness of his divorce from her sister), but clearly McCain decided to chance that going unnoticed by the rest of the nation. Palin's got obvious national visibility issues (same as Pawlenty), but she complements McCain in ways Pawlenty couldn't (namely, she will be a draw for the remaining Clinton-obsessed Democratic PUMA voters, even if her politics are all wrong for them).

                  It's tough to say what will happen from here, except for a couple of things:

                  1. Biden will surely start hammering Palin on the abuse-of-power scandal this very afternoon so that the American public knows the baggage she's bringing with her.

                  2. The GOP needs to stop hitting Obama on lack of experience now that McCain's picked someone who's even more of a neophyte than Obama for the VP job. If those attacks continue it will smack of "trying to have your cake and eat it too" and cost the Republicans votes.
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                  • #39
                    Wow, this is a genuine desperation pick. He overlooks his central charge against Obama, experience, and Palin's ethics issues just to get a woman on the ticket. Can't wait for the Veep debates.

                    As I was saying, Hutchison would've been a far smarter pick. I'm guessing that she turned McCain down.
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                    • #40
                      I was wrong! Oh well.

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                      • #41
                        Either way, this will be a historic election.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by reismark
                          2. The GOP needs to stop hitting Obama on lack of experience now that McCain's picked someone who's even more of a neophyte than Obama for the VP job.
                          How's that? Governor trumps senator so Palin has more exexcutive experience than Obama has.
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by The diplomat
                            How's that? Governor trumps senator so Palin has more exexcutive experience than Obama has.
                            If that's the standard we're going by, Palin has more executive experience than McCain and should be the Presidential nominee.

                            To answer your question, though, Palin has only 2 years of public service on the state or national level to her credit (her 2 years as Alaska governor - everything else before that is local level). Obama's on his 12th year of state or national public service (eight years in the Illinois state house, four in the U.S. Senate).
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                            • #44
                              Sarah Palin. So supporters of Barack Obama are sexist after all.

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                              • #45
                                Palin? WTF?

                                Well, at least she has some executive experience. Not like these legislators who to a man (or woman) have an inflated view of their political powers.
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