What's heaven like?

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by Agathon
What's heaven like?

Well, given that there are no Jews, Muslims, atheists or gays, the only thing preventing it from being the KKK's wet dream is the blacks.

Tells you something, huh?

Actually Catholics don't believe this. The RCC position is that well meaning non-believer who have never heard of Christ can be saved.


But protestants think they burn, and they also believe that the Catholics are going to hell. So if they are right, yes it is kind of like the KKK + blacks, also it may be a bit less accepting than the KKK in some ways since the KKK has allowed Catholics in since the 1970's I think.

[Q Classic]

Originally posted by FrostyBoy
Btw, here's a good question for religious nuts.

If God is omnipresent, which means he is in all places at all times, then he would be inside Hell and inside Satan.

Thats somewhat comforting to know if I ever do end up in Hell.

I suppose, but my understanding of hell is that it's merely the absence of God, not this fire and brimstone crap the Second Awakening brought.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Kidicious

No. You're wrong. I'm free right now. I'm free to sin or do whatever. I'm free to decide for myself what is right and wrong. Sure I can't control every thought that I have. Sometimes I want to smoke. But I am free to decide whether that is right or wrong or good or bad for me. I'm also free to either smoke or not, assuming I'm not addicted. If I am addicted I'm free to either seek treatment or just smoke more.

If you want to believe that God will take you desires away that's fine. But acknowledge that he demands complete obedience to him in return.

You mean thinking for yourself is more desirable than tobacco is to a smoker.

To be cool? Because it stimulates you? Because you don't want to have withdrawl? Because you are stupid?

But sin is more pervasive than smoking. That is what I was trying to say. It isn't something you can just decide not to do.

God will take away your desire to sin. Than you have a choice. Sin causes pain and suffering, if we could see clearly in the situations, and were able to, we wouldn't choose it.

If smoking wasn't cool, it didn't stimulate you (you were stimulated in other ways), you weren't addicted, and you weren't stupid.. you would never smoke again would you?

JM

[FrostyBoy]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


Actually,

1. Assuming time does not exist in heaven AND

2. Assuming God only loves those in heaven AND

3. At least one person is saved.

Then God's love is infinite.

According to the Bible, God loves us on Earth too.

But not when we're in Hell? Thanks Dad, bring me into this world then send me to suffer for eternity!

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Mrs Snuggles

I suppose, but my understanding of hell is that it's merely the absence of God, not this fire and brimstone crap the Second Awakening brought.

And God is life, so what hell actually is is death.

JM

[FrostyBoy]

Originally posted by Mrs Snuggles

Which again, doesn't bypass the issue--if his forgiveness and love were truly infinite, and someone fails in that time given, wouldn't said person get another chance, so to speak?

No, he still loves you, he just doesn't want you in his house coz you probably won't pay the rent and keep waking him up because of all the parties.

[FrostyBoy]

Originally posted by Mrs Snuggles

I suppose, but my understanding of hell is that it's merely the absence of God, not this fire and brimstone crap the Second Awakening brought.

Well if that's true, that strikes Omnipresent off the list; what's next?

[Q Classic]

Originally posted by FrostyBoy


No, he still loves you, he just doesn't want you in his house coz you probably won't pay the rent and keep waking him up because of all the parties.

Fair enough.

If heaven requires rent, rather than owning land, it seems like a bad investment, no?

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by FrostyBoy


Well if that's true, that strikes Omnipresent off the list; what's next?

Not according to anhilliationism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annihilationism

The three views are:
Universal Redemption
Annihiliationism
Eternal Damnation (prior to 6th century AD, only taught by Rome)

JM

[FrostyBoy]

You're given free food to offset the balance.


If arab men get 72 virgins, what do women get? 72 stones?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
But sin is more pervasive than smoking. That is what I was trying to say. It isn't something you can just decide not to do.

Again, freedom isn't like that at all. I'm free to believe that pigs fly, but I can't believe it. I'm still free to decide for myself.

[FrostyBoy]

Originally posted by Jon Miller


Not according to anhilliationism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annihilationism

The three views are:
Universal Redemption
Annihiliationism
Eternal Damnation (prior to 6th century AD, only taught by Rome)

JM

WTF is this? More made up ****?

****, I think I might just start my own religion.

All bow down to mighty

You must love him, sacrifice your first born to him and smoke weed every sunday morning.

If thou shalt break this rule, only once, thou shalt have their nipples cut off. If thou has no nipples, nipples will be surgically attached, then cut off.

If thou succeeds in following hippie's rules until death, thou shalt be raised in a cloud-car with 2 virgins and 1 slut, where thou shalt commence to drive to the center of the universe.

[Ben Kenobi]

If God is omnipresent, which means he is in all places at all times, then he would be inside Hell and inside Satan.

Thats somewhat comforting to know if I ever do end up in Hell.

What's really gonna bake your noodle is how can God be both omnipresent and incarnate?

As for Hell, God can go into hell if he wants to, but he chooses not to go down.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Kidicious


Again, freedom isn't like that at all. I'm free to believe that pigs fly, but I can't believe it. I'm still free to decide for myself.

That is the point. With sin, you aren't free. You can't decide not to do it.

When you are freed from sin, you can now decide not to do it. And, the reasoning goes, none who have seen it's effects would ever choose to do it, if they weren't enslaved to it.

God isn't authoritarian. He wants you to be free. As the Bible says, "My yoke is easy, and my burden is light".

JM

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by FrostyBoy


WTF is this? More made up ****?

****, I think I might just start my own religion.

All three views were held by early (pre 500 AD) Christianity. As noted, Universal Redemption seems to have been the majority view, actually.

This isn't just making **** up. There is precedent.

JM