How can we save Ukraine?

[Saras]

Originally posted by onodera

I think you're ignoring the bit about Catherine the Great.
But even so, if certain parts of the Ukraine are heavily Russianized, it doesn't mean we will rush to annex them just because we got tired of a certain country's verbal attacks and used their military blunder to liberate them from their own army.

However, I'm afraid of Lithuania using its NATO membership to provoke us into attacking them by insulting our country and our people in the speeches of their leaders, counter our attack and reannex the territories that comprised Greater Lithuania. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:LithuaniaHistory.png)

Yes, your paranoia makes as much sense as this one ^^^

Nice map

[Serb]

Originally posted by Lancer
Best to get all this done before Russia has a chance to redeploy mobile forces from Georgia. Days, we should have all this done before a week passes.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!


Oh my, you guys are really paranoid. This world went crazy.
Sh!t I can't believe you guys are brainwashed by your media to the point where you seriously believe Russia is going to annex the former Soviet republics.

That is so weird and scary. That means your free and unbiased brainwashing machine did a very good job.

It looks like it is so.
Then... the end is near.

[Serb]

Originally posted by notyoueither
You save the Ukraine by not driving Russia to be an enemy, if it's not too late.

At least some words of wisdom

Probably the world is not completely doomed yet.

[Saras]

Originally posted by Serb



At least some words of wisdom

Probably the world is not completely doomed yet.

Peace > war

Friends > enemies

Pragmatic neutral partners > enemies


Serb, serious question (I'm probably gonna regret this...):

What would you say would be the five major initiatives/policy shifts/ other official actions by each

Ą. The "west" and
B. Russia

to improve our relations to something approaching normality.

[Saras]

And no you can't have East Germany. Or Lithuania.

[Saras]

And PLEASE think about it.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Oerdin
There is a NATO expansion summit in November and currently Albania, Macedonia, and Croatia are to have their membership bids voted on. Why not add the Ukraine to the docket?

Send a message to Russia.

Sure, you don't give a **** that majority of Ukranians DO NOT WANT to be in NATO, right?
It's so democratic to make decisions against someone's will.

[Patroklos]

Sure, you don't give a **** that majority of Ukranians DO NOT WANT to be in NATO, right?
It's so democratic to make decisions against someone's will.

Then they should stop democratically electing leaders who do.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Saras
Serb, serious question (I'm probably gonna regret this...):
What would you say would be the five major initiatives/policy shifts/ other official actions by each

Ą. The "west" and
B. Russia

to improve our relations to something approaching normality.

Ok. I'll give you my serious answer to your question.

1) The West should understand that the cold war is over.
2) The West should stop portraying Russia as an enemy.
3) The West should stop acting like Russia is an enemy.
4) The West should talk to Russia like an equal partner, not a "defeated" enemy. (We are not Japan or Germany of 1945. God damn it. You never beat us military, we liberated ourselves and the West should bear that in mind).
5) The West should stop to intervene in our internal affairs, stop lecturing us.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Saras
And PLEASE think about it.

I can't right now. It's kinda serious question and demands some time.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Patroklos
Then they should stop democratically electing leaders who do.

Is that a joke?
You call an Orange farse a democratic elections?

Anyhow. Imho, the opinion of the PEOPLE is >>> than the opinion of (ok let's pretend that Youshenko was democratically elected) the leader of that people.
Some issues need referendum. And referendum is always > than orders of the head of state.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Serb


Sure, you don't give a **** that majority of Ukranians DO NOT WANT to be in NATO, right?
It's so democratic to make decisions against someone's will.

Oh shut up, Serb. It's become quite clear during all of this that you wouldn't know what the truth was if it came up behind you and proceded to beat the crap out of you.

[Patroklos]

Imho, the opinion of the PEOPLE is >>> then the opinion of (ok let's preted that Youshenko is decratically elected leader) the leader of that people.

Bieng Russian I will forgive you your lack of understanding of how representative democracy works.

[Saras]

Originally posted by Serb


I can't right now. It's kinda serious question and demands some time.

But good start . Number 5 is kinda childish though.

[Serb]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Oh shut up, Serb. It's become quite clear during all of this that you wouldn't know what the truth was if it came up behind you and proceded to beat the crap out of you.

When was the last time you been to Ukraine?

I spent there last summer. If your Youshenko pupet will press Ukraine to NATO, one thing I can tell you for sure - Crimea will defect from Ukraine or Ukraine will face a civil war.