It's war. Part II

[Propaganda]

Who could ever think that provoking one bear could start a war? Not Saakashvilli, I suppose...

[Heraclitus]

As far as I know South Ossetia is not a *real* country.
Its a province of Georgia. Its separatists happen to have the good luck of being supported by Russia.



Ahem

[Serb]

Originally posted by Saras


Yes they did a boundary that is withing their internationally recognised borders, in response to growing violence by illegal paramilitary groups

Illegal? They signed a cease-fire treaty with those "illegal" people, when they failed to exterminate them first time in 90's. Let me guess, you believe that cease-fire treaty was illegal too? As well precense of peacekeepers there?

. What Russia did was cross an international boundary before or about the same time as Goergia.

Bullsh!t. Russian forces crossed the border the NEXT DAY, when Tskhinvaly was in ruins, hundreds of civilians murdered, ten Russian peacekeepers killed. When UNSC emeregency session initiated by Russia to stop the violence failed to make any decision (thank to your and Saak's master who trained and supplied Georgian army and prepared it for this bloodbath) wrt South Osetia.

About Tskhinvali - it was a scene of a battle, and EVERONE was shooting, so attributing this to Georgians alone is ludicrous. But don't let that stop you, clown.

So there was no bombardemnt of the city with heavy weaponry and Grads?
Anyhow, if the city was a scene of battle, don't realise that that means Georgia invaded South Ossetia, broken the cease-fire and that automatically makes Georgia an AGRESSOR?
The agressor who started thi bloodbath.
I'm tired of crap. You are hopeless.
I quit this illegal thread permanently. But Still I'm asking the mods to change its insulting and lying title.

Anyone who want to disscuss the war can do it here:
It's war. part II

[Propaganda]

Neither will Georgia soon be a "country", so all of your points are moot.

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by Propaganda
Neither will Georgia soon be a "country", so all of your points are moot.

Georgia is a internationally recognised sovereign state.



But I'm sure Russia is working to change that.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Saras

**** off commie.

Make me, chuckles.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Heraclitus
As far as I know South Ossetia is not a *real* country.
Its a province of Georgia. Its separatists happen to have the good luck of being supported by Russia.



Ahem

As far as I know Kosovo is not a *real* country.
Its a province of Serbia. Its separatists happen to have the good luck of being supported by NATO.


Any difference?

[PLATO]

Hey Serb,

Have you been able to find the UN authorization for Russian South Ossetia Operations yet?

I am really interested in Russia's legal claims to what they are doing now. I have been asking someone to provide some kind of document that justifies what Russia is doing. onodera was kind enough to get us a Russian language document, but when translated seemed to offer no authorization for what is going on. I have searched the UN website and found a lot in relation to Abkhazia, but NOTHING on South Ossetia.

This is the third time I have asked. If there is nothing, which is appearing more and more likely, the Russia needs to immediately withdraw from Georgian territory.

Let's not forget that when the Russians are telling us how terrible that the Georgians are in South Ossetia, that South Ossetia is inside the internationally recognized boarders of Georgia. This, I think, is an important thing to remember.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Heraclitus


Georgia is a internationally recognised sovereign state.

As well as Serbia.

[Saras]

Originally posted by Serb

Illegal? They signed a cease-fire treaty with those "illegal" people, when they failed to exterminate them first time in 90's. Let me guess, you believe that cease-fire treaty was illegal too? As well precense of peacekeepers there?

These "legal" people were shooting very illegal mortars and shells into Georgia, while your "legal" and "neutral" peace keepers stood around doing nothing. Suppose a gang takes over a block in Omsk and starts shooting mortars around. You would do what, then? Call a UNSC session?

Bullsh!t. Russian forces crossed the border the NEXT DAY, when Tskhinvaly was in ruins, hundreds of civilians murdered, ten Russian peacekeepers killed.

Well that's your uncorroborated version of events.

When UNSC emeregency session initiated by Russia to stop the violence failed to make any decision (thank to your and Saak's master who trained and supplied Georgian army and prepared it for this bloodbath) wrt South Osetia.

Our "masters" prepared Georgia to be able to control Chechens using their territory to fight against YOU.

So there was no bombardemnt of the city with heavy weaponry and Grads?

We saw some awesome videos of grads firing somewhere, and some people running around some town crying, and one basement with several people there. What we HEARD from RUSSIAN sources was "genocide", "georgians acting like fascists", "100", then "1400", then "2000 civilians killed omg Saak is HITLER!!11!".

Anyhow, if the city was a scene of battle, don't realise that that means Georgia invaded South Ossetia, broken the cease-fire and that automatically makes Georgia an AGRESSOR?

No it does not.

The agressor who started thi bloodbath.

Glad you agree that its Russia, by invading a sovereign country and supporting separatists that kept on provoking a country that was very flexible in offering terms for resolution of the long lasting dispute.

I'm tired of crap. You are hopeless.

I am not hopeless, I am too resourceful for your abilities

I quit this illegal thread permanently. But Still I'm asking the mods to change its insulting and lying title.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by Serb



As far as I know Kosovo is not a *real* country.
Its a province of Serbia. Its separatists happen to have the good luck of being supported by NATO.


Any difference?

So you are saying that the recognitions of these type states is illegal? Then that means that you are saying that the Russian actions are illegal?

Surely you are not trying to say that two "wrongs" make a "right"? I never would have thought that Russia based their foriegn policy on the thinking of a 4 year old.

Regardless of what happened in Kosovo, th issue here is Russia invading the soverign territory of another country without any international backing. You must quit trying to deflect Russia's crimes by pointing fingers at others.

Russia needs to withdraw now.

[Saras]

Originally posted by Agathon


Make me, chuckles.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Heraclitus
As far as I know South Ossetia is not a *real* country.

The best way to describe it would be as a de facto independent country, but not de jure independent. Georgia has had no effective control over South Ossetia since 1991.

Maps lie. The fact is that Georgia had no real control over SO, and wanted to. Most SOs don't want anything to do with Georgia.

Its a province of Georgia. Its separatists happen to have the good luck of being supported by Russia.

The reality is that the Georgians were the aggressors. Every international news agency I have seen has reported as such. There had been minor clashes and a supposed truce, and then the Georgians attacked SO with rockets (I watched them do it on the BBC). The few Russian peacekeepers in SO were hammered and so Russia brought more troops in to retaliate and kick the Georgians out. I have seen no credible report that this was organized by the Russians or started by them.

In that respect it is wholly different from say, Grenada.

Now, on the other hand, it is an open question as to whether the Russians are going to use this military gift as a means to crush Sakashvili's government and either force a humiliating settlement on the Georgians or replace the Georgian government with a Russophile administration.

If they do the latter, I won't be disappointed. Sakashvili is about as democratic as Bhutto and has no problem in turning the riot police on his own people when it suits him.

As for the chess game between Russia, China and the West, I no longer give a **** who wins. In fact, I'd prefer it if they all lost.

[Serb]

Originally posted by PLATO
Hey Serb,

Have you been able to find the UN authorization for Russian South Ossetia Operations yet?

I am really interested in Russia's legal claims to what they are doing now. I have been asking someone to provide some kind of document that justifies what Russia is doing. onodera was kind enough to get us a Russian language document, but when translated seemed to offer no authorization for what is going on. I have searched the UN website and found a lot in relation to Abkhazia, but NOTHING on South Ossetia.

This is the third time I have asked. If there is nothing, which is appearing more and more likely, the Russia needs to immediately withdraw from Georgian territory.

Let's not forget that when the Russians are telling us how terrible that the Georgians are in South Ossetia, that South Ossetia is inside the internationally recognized boarders of Georgia. This, I think, is an important thing to remember.

I had no time to look for exact document. I thought that legality of Russian peace keeping forces's presence in Abkhazia and South Ossetia is not even a question. Nobody questioned the legality of their presence there since 1992 and 1994 up to today. Though several times Georgia tried to replace them with NATO peacekeepers and arised that issue in UN but everytime the mandate of Russian peacekeepers have been prolonged by UN.
Wiki says this:
The Russian government stated its justification for entering Georgian territory was to protect Russian citizens (since most South Ossetians hold Russian passports [22][23]) and its peacekeepers in South Ossetia, and to enforce the peacekeeping mandate given to it by the UN.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_South_Ossetia_(2008)
I'll try to find something, probably tommorow. But now my shift is almost over and I have to go home and have some rest.

[PLATO]

Good Morning Aggie,

The "minor clashes" you refer to were the South Ossetians shelling the Georgians. Where do you suppose they got the mortars from?