Will Georgia turn into a Moscow satellite?

[Serb]

Originally posted by Comrade Snuggles


Because Georgia is our ***** and Serbia is yours. Empire has its privileges.

Exactly.

[chequita guevara]

What part of global hegemon don't you understand?

[Saras]

[QUOTE] Originally posted by Serb

Why? Kaliningrad is Russian soil. And we are a sovereign (aside you) country and free to move our armed forces within our sovereign internationally recognized borders.
It's really non of your concern where and what type of our hardware is located. So, seriously, why don't you just **** off?
how do you reconcile the above with this:

1) You forgot about the radar in Czehia which will scan our space up to Ural.
2) You seem to don't understand that those ten interceptors is just a first move and later this system can be upgraded and technology will improve.
3) The haste with wich Poland signed a deal after the Georgia clearly proves that US stories about Iran as only target for this system and that it will pose no threat to Russia IS JUST A PURE BULLSH!T.
4) And the most important thing. In the modern warfare an advantage in DEFENSE GIVES YOU AND ADVANTAGE IN OFFENSE. So it doesn't really matter if US calls their anti-ballistic missile shield as a pure defensive measure, IT DOES increase THEIR OFFENSIVE POTENTIAL (by decreasing ours).

Seriously, why I am still talking to a nazis? Farewell.

So you stopped talking to yourself, huh?

[Serb]

Originally posted by Felch


Ah yes, the old capital of the Duchy of Prussia. Russians conquered it in 1945, while the rest of their allies were busy liberating the captive nations of the Third Reich.

Russia played the desicive role in destruction of the Third Reich and liberation of Europe. Kenigsberg was our spoil of war, a tiny compensation for what Nazis done to our country. They attacked us, killed millions and destroyed our cities. Kaliningrad was a very small price for their ccrimes. When Germany capitulated on our terms neither them nor you complained that was wrong.

And to hear such emotional reply from a man whose entire country exist on lands conquered from Native Americans, is at least strange.

It would be like if the United States just decided to keep Sicily, purge it of Italians, and call it our sovereign soil.

Italians never invaded USA, neither they killed millions of US citizens.
And btw, do you think Japaneese want your occupation of Okinava? Iraqiis want your occupation of Iraq? Afghans want your occupation of Afghanistan?

You see, that's the difference between us, Serb. We invade countries, but we don't immediately move on to absorb them into our empire. We honestly try to make friends with the locals, in our hamfisted, retarded, backfiring, heads-up-our-asses American way. You guys just rape, murder, and pillage, and then whine when the countries you've terrorized show any sign of resentment.

Dude, your entire country exist only because you eradicated the native population of now yours lands.
And the latest example of how you raped, murdered and pillaged was IRAQ, God damn it!

[Lancer]

Serb, let the UN and the rights groups in there to determine what happened in an objective manner. Then go to the UN and ask for a UN policed vote in S.Ossetia to determine if that is really what the people there want.

Using that as a precident, it can then be done in many or all of the world's trouble spots.

Can't do that though, can you? Russia would lose too much, the US would only lose Texas.

[DanS]

Starting to get interesting. Who would have thought the Black Sea would be a flashpoint...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/28/world/europe/28russia.html?em

MOSCOW — Russian commanders said Wednesday they were growing alarmed at the number of NATO warships sailing into the Black Sea, conceding that NATO vessels now outnumbered the ships in their fleet anchored off the western coast of Georgia.

As attention turned to the balance of naval power in the sea, the leader of the separatist region of Abkhazia said he would invite Russia to establish a naval base at his territory’s deep-water port of Sukhumi.

And in a move certain to anger Russia, Ukraine’s president, Viktor A. Yushchenko, said he would open negotiations with authorities in Moscow to raise the rent on the Russian naval base at Sevastopol, which is in Ukraine’s predominantly Russian province of Crimea. The United States is pursuing a delicate policy of delivering humanitarian aid on military transport planes and ships, to illustrate to the Russians they do not fully control Georgia’s airspace or coastline.

"What the Americans call humanitarian cargoes — of course, they are bringing in weapons," the Russian president Dmitri Medvedev, told the BBC in an interview on Tuesday, adding: "We’re not trying to prevent it."

The White House dismissed all assertions that the Pentagon is shipping weapons under the “guise” of humanitarian aid, calling them “ridiculous.”

In Moscow, the naval maneuvering was clearly raising alarms. Russian commanders said the buildup of NATO vessels in the Black Sea violated a 1936 treaty, the Convention of Montreux, they maintain limits to three weeks the time non-coastal countries can sail military vessels on the sea.

Col. Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsyn, the deputy head of the Russian general staff, told a briefing in Moscow that under the agreement, Turkey, which controls the straits of Bosporus and Dardanelles, must be notified 15 days in advance before military ships sail into the sea, and that warships cannot remain longer than 21 days.

“The convention stipulates a limited number of vessels,” he said. “That is, the same state cannot deploy a certain group without any limit.”

[chequita guevara]

Is the administration pushing for a war with Russia?

[Serb]

Originally posted by Zkribbler
like the Russians using clusterbombs on civilians.

like the Russians sending in paramilitary thugs to kill, rob and burn.

Like the Russians stealing U.S. military equipment, sitting on the docks to be shipped back to the U.S.

Are you talking to me?

[DanS]

The U.S. Coast Guard cutter Dallas at Georgia's Black Sea port of Batumi on Wednesday.

[GePap]

NATO wants to spread the message that it is not completely powerless in the region. But no, they aren't pushing for war. The press likes this kind of sensationalism.

[Saras]

Originally posted by Serb
2) Georgia HAS precipitated violence on another country or there is imminent danger of them doing so. Whether South Ossetia was recognized as sovereign country or not - doesn't matter too much. They have violated the cease--fire agreement and launched a full-scale military offence, they bombed their capital and villages, intentionally killed civilians and Russian peacekeepers. THAT IS AGRESSION. And while YOUR ambassodor in UN did his best to block the UN resolution which condemns the Georgian agression ('cause Sukashvili is your loyal puppet... or excuse me your loyal ally), there was no chance for us to force the UN resolution that could stop the Georgian agression. We had to act alone to save our peacekeepers and Ossetian civilians (who were still dying under Georgian fire).

And Russia could have prevented all this years ago, but chose not to, precisely because the current outcome is expected.

Just imagine it didn't happen. What's next?
500 Russian peacekeepers KIA, thousands of Ossetian civilians killed, tens of thousands lost their home and run away in fear.
IS THIS WHAT YOU WANTED?

DO YOU JUSTIFY SHELLING OF TSKHINVALI AND OSSETIAN VILLAGES?

DO YOU JUSTIFY GEORGIAN SURPRISE NIGHT ATTACK VS SOUTH OSSETIAN CIVILIANS?

Great.

Imagine you replaced Russian peace keepers with i.e. Swedish ones, let them police the place for a while, and gently nudged you puppets in Tskhinvali and Sukhumi to reconcile with Tbilisi and join some sort of federation. This was within Russia's power. You chose to play nasty, and now act all noble. Get off your high horse already.

Why? If you put a part of US strategic nuclear arsenal which threatens our security,

Does not.

we have a right to aim our missiles to the objects wich we consider a threat for us.

This whole aiming of missiles business is childish, it probably takes five mouse clicks.

Your problem Plato is that you are typical creation of your propaganda and a perfect reflection of US policies towards Russia - you treat us like, I don't know, your slaves, your puppets that kind of thing. Wake-up. WE ARE NOT YOUR LOYAL LACKEYS like your Shmaltic/Shmoland/Kraine/Grogia, etc, who stay in a line to like your precious arse and do obey you.

serb accusing people of believing propaganda, after his OMG 2000 CIVILIANS KILLED - priceless.

And while you can insult our choice of alliances, your impotent whining at "prostitutes" and '*****es" is pathetically reminiscent of a guy from one movie, paralysed from the waist down, unable to get his pecker up but still checking out girls.

So, what action we can take and where is really non of your concern. Command your pet dogs, not us.

Dogs now, nice to see some variety.

We have a perfect understanding of imperialistic tendancies. When we see a growing military block, that surrounds our country and wich we are not allowed to enter, we can ask - against whom this military might is suppose to be used? Teh pinguins of Antarctica? Martians?

Russia was never sincerely willing to join, come on.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Saras
Imagine you replaced Russian peace keepers with i.e. Swedish ones, let them police the place for a while, and gently nudged you puppets in Tskhinvali and Sukhumi to reconcile with Tbilisi and join some sort of federation.

Why should they? Why should Abkhazia and S. Ossetia rejoin Georgia? Why is this desirable? What's wrong with letting people have their own countries?

[Serb]

Originally posted by Lancer
Serb, let the UN and the rights groups in there to determine what happened in an objective manner. Then go to the UN and ask for a UN policed vote in S.Ossetia to determine if that is really what the people there want.

And? The US was very clear it will support Georgia no matter what. You wiil whitewash your pet dog anyway (as your media already did).

I don't know what this guy is saying (since I'm not at home right now and this PC don't have speakers), but he is the Europe's top human rights official.

Using that as a precident, it can then be done in many or all of the world's trouble spots.

You started that with Kosovo, we warned you not to do that, you did. So don't blame us now.

Can't do that though, can you? Russia would lose too much, the US would only lose Texas.

We'll see.

[Lancer]

Nothing Che, but lets see if that's what they want first.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Lancer
Thanks for your efforts btw in answering our questions Serb.

Anytime

Excuse me, but now I have to reply some of the Patro's bullsh!ts in other thread.