Will Georgia turn into a Moscow satellite?

[Serb]

Originally posted by Zkribbler


Except for the fact that Ossettian separatists were shooting policemen and civilians from out of areas controlled by the Russian "Peacekeepers."

That is a pure GEORGIAN LIE.

Except for the fact that Russian had its best troops and 1800 tanks just across the border, waiting for an excuse to intervene.

Another LIE. We don't have 1800 tanks in Caucasus military district. And the elite forces you mentioned were AIRLIFTED from Moscow and Leningrad military districts after the Georgian agression.

Let's face it, you guys mousetrapped the Georgians. Separatist rebels escalated the violence, hoping to suck the Georgians in. When the Georgians took the bait. SNAP!

Let's face it, you guys don't give a DAMN about the truth.
You are ready to justify a butcher, who ordered to kill hundreds of sleeping civilians, because he was beaten by Russians. And in your fancy world anyone who is fighting against the Russian is a good guy.
****.

[Felch]

Originally posted by Serb
Let's face it, you guys don't give a DAMN about the truth.
You are ready to justify a butcher, who ordered to kill hundreds of sleeping civilians, because he was beaten by Russians. And in your fancy world anyone who is fighting against the Russian is a good guy.
****.

I haven't seen any evidence except from Russian state-controlled sources supporting the "hundreds of sleeping civilians" figure. I believe the number that the NGOs were quoting was under 100 civilian dead, based on hospital reports. This was a week ago or so that I read that. Do you have any links showing independent confirmation of Russia's figures?

[Serb]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, Serb.

In this case, you dude should do the following:

1) Make this tatoo (Those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones ) on your forehead
2) Hang mirrors everywhere in your house
3) Look at those mirrors everytime when you recall that you country bombed a sovereign, independent country nearly for three months, then took a part of its core land, a historical heartland of this country and gave it to historically alien to this land separatists (sponsored and trained by you), and then recognized them as independent state. Look there also when you recall that you country invaded a sovereign and inepended state for no reason, without any justification, killed hell knows how many people there and stiil occupy this country as we speak.

[Zkribbler]

like the Russians using clusterbombs on civilians.

like the Russians sending in paramilitary thugs to kill, rob and burn.

Like the Russians stealing U.S. military equipment, sitting on the docks to be shipped back to the U.S.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Lancer
"Why? Kaliningrad is Russian soil. And we are a sovereign (aside you) country and free to move our armed forces within our sovereign internationally recognized borders.
It's really non of your concern where and what type of our hardware is located. So, seriously, why don't you just **** off? "

Same goes for NATO. We can move divisions into Poland, we can let the Ukraine join and move forces there too. We can put tac nuke missiles next to Saras house pointed straight at Moscow. In fact I think we should. Then, we can give the launch switch to Saras wife.

The question Serb, is should we? Right now, considering the way Russia is using its forces, I think we should, and I think Saras wife would agree with me. Nuf said.

Moving forces within your own borders and moving forces elsewhere is not the same.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Serb
... recall that you country bombed a sovereign, independent country nearly for three months, then took a part of its core land, a historical heartland of this country and gave it to historically alien to this land separatists (sponsored and trained by you), and then recognized them as independent state. Look there also when you recall that you country invaded a sovereign and inepended state for no reason, without any justification, killed hell knows how many people there and stiil occupy this country as we speak.

Are you talking about the U.N.'s efforts in taking Kuwait back from Iraq?

[Felch]

Originally posted by Serb
Why? Kaliningrad is Russian soil.

Ah yes, the old capital of the Duchy of Prussia. Russians conquered it in 1945, while the rest of their allies were busy liberating the captive nations of the Third Reich.

It would be like if the United States just decided to keep Sicily, purge it of Italians, and call it our sovereign soil.

You see, that's the difference between us, Serb. We invade countries, but we don't immediately move on to absorb them into our empire. We honestly try to make friends with the locals, in our hamfisted, retarded, backfiring, heads-up-our-asses American way. You guys just rape, murder, and pillage, and then whine when the countries you've terrorized show any sign of resentment.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Zkribbler
The Ossettian separatists were wrong.

Why they were wrong? They do not want to be a part of Georgia and never wanted. Esp. after the genocide of 1918-1920,iirc, then another attempt to clear the SO from non-Georgians commited by Gamsakhurdian thugs in 90's, and after the Sukashvili attack of 2008.
Why Kosovo can be independent and South Ossetian cannot?

The Georgians were wrong.

Fine. At least some words of understanding.

The Russian were wrong.

Why? You think we shouldn't interfere to stop this blodbath?

[Lancer]

Originally posted by Serb


Moving forces within your own borders and moving forces elsewhere is not the same.

I'm glad we're reaching common ground here.

NATO is an alliance as you know. One countries forces can go to another country as both see fit. Russia didn't ask NATO if it was ok to put divisions into Poland during Warsaw Pact times, did it? So why should we care what Russia thinks of NATO deployments to Poland now that Poland is in NATO?

Iirc, Russia didn't ask Poland either.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Felch


I haven't seen any evidence except from Russian state-controlled sources supporting the "hundreds of sleeping civilians" figure. I believe the number that the NGOs were quoting was under 100 civilian dead, based on hospital reports. This was a week ago or so that I read that. Do you have any links showing independent confirmation of Russia's figures?

One single BS report from HRW about "45 dead in a hospital and not so badly damaged city" and here we go - we have a NGOs reportSSSS.

What Russia figures? The South Ossetian authorities say that 1492 people were killed. Damn, do you know what the Grad is? The Georgian artillery brigade fired Grads and SPAs on Tskhinvali for hours. And they broadcasted it LIVE. I already gave links to that Georgian TV-show and videos of the results of the Georgian bombardments, but sh!ite - they are not "independent" enough for you to trust your own eyes. You prefer to trust to a couple of paragraphs of text of your single source wich says - "it's quite ok there, the Gerogian Grads, artillery and warplanes didn't harm the city so much and there are only 45 dead in a local hospital" without any videos about how fine it it there.
Sure only 45 dead is perfect justification of the Georgian aggression, right? They broke the cease-fire and launched a full-scale invasion, but who cares? Our source say they killed only dozens of civilians, some Russian peacekeepers (but who cares about those dirty Russkies anyway?) so their bombing of civilians blocks was just fine, right?

[Serb]

Originally posted by Lancer


I'm glad we're reaching common ground here.

NATO is an alliance as you know. One countries forces can go to another country as both see fit. Russia didn't ask NATO if it was ok to put divisions into Poland during Warsaw Pact times, did it? So why should we care what Russia thinks of NATO deployments to Poland now that Poland is in NATO?

Iirc, Russia didn't ask Poland either.

Fine, but stop complaining if we aim our missiles to your military installations on the Polish soil.

[Lancer]

Thanks for your efforts btw in answering our questions Serb.

[Lancer]

Originally posted by Serb


Fine, but stop complaining if we aim our missiles to your military installations on the Polish soil.

I'm not complaining, I expect it. Lets face it, missiles pointed at each other is something both our countries got good at long ago. It tends to keep the tanks from rolling.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Serb
Why Kosovo can be independent and South Ossetian cannot?

Because Georgia is our ***** and Serbia is yours. Empire has its privileges.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Zkribbler


Are you talking about the U.N.'s efforts in taking Kuwait back from Iraq?

I was talking about your aggressions against Yugoslavia and Iraq.
It's beyond me how you (Americans and Euros) can be for independence of Kosovo (which is a historical heartland of Serbia) and at the same time against independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia (those land are thiers for centuries, they are not Georgian lands). It's beyond me how easily you can justify an invasion and occupation of Iraq (for absolutely no legitimate reason) and at the same time be against the Russian intervention to South Ossetia to save our peacekeepers and stop the bloodbath there.

****ing hypocrites.