The *ONE* aggressor tells it like it is

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Good. We can always dump the nuclear waste in Nevada. There's no liberals there at all.

Not correct. The Dems have a good chance of taking the state this year.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Ah, the Democrats would so love it if Bush could run for a 3rd team. Then again, he may have lost in the primary. Or Bush may decided not to run.

[Ben Kenobi]

It's a little over 3.7 litres to the gallon; in other words, for it to drop to $0.99/litre, we'll have to expect it to be around $3.67 to the gallon from the current $5.55/gallon you have in Canada.

Chicago's at $4.30/gallon at the moment; we'd have to expect a similar 33% drop, so gas should be around $2.88/gallon by the end of the month.

Would you care to wager?

I'd wager it dropping to 0.99 dollars a litre up here, sometime before the end of the year. I'll take a picture when it happens.

Avatars again?

[Q Classic]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
IOW, he opposes the construction of any nuclear plants.

Not quite.
"Safe and Secure Nuclear Energy. Nuclear power represents more than 70 percent of our noncarbon
generated electricity. It is unlikely that we can meet our aggressive climate goals if we
eliminate nuclear power as an option. However, before an expansion of nuclear power is
considered, key issues must be addressed including: security of nuclear fuel and waste, waste
storage, and proliferation."

Glad to hear he's all in favour of alternative energy. It seems to me he's not in favour of alternative energy as a means to get away from oil dependency, he just wants to subsidise the industries that are supported by his big donors like the Sierra club.

I don't think "clean coal" is supported by the Sierra Club.
His energy policy also includes lots of attempts at extracting more from what we have: greater efficiency, smart grids, weatherizing homes, more flex fuels, and the like.

[Ben Kenobi]

Not correct. The Dems have a good chance of taking the state this year

They dump nuclear waste in Las Vegas?

I don't think they will take it. People are leaving Las Vegas now. The only way it goes to the Dems is if Las Vegas has enough of a population to outweigh the rest of the state.

[Q Classic]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


I'd wager it dropping to 0.99 dollars a litre up here, sometime before the end of the year. I'll take a picture when it happens.

Avatars again?

If you want. We've never actually made that bet. But you said a month, not five. Either you hold to one month, or no dice.

[Ben Kenobi]

"Safe and Secure Nuclear Energy. Nuclear power represents more than 70 percent of our noncarbon
generated electricity. It is unlikely that we can meet our aggressive climate goals if we
eliminate nuclear power as an option. However, before an expansion of nuclear power is
considered, key issues must be addressed including: security of nuclear fuel and waste, waste
storage, and proliferation."

Nuclear power is an excellent way to generate electricity and freeing up things like coal and oil for use in mobility. We shouldn't be spending a drop of oil for electricity generation.

I don't think "clean coal" is supported by the Sierra Club.
His energy policy also includes lots of attempts at extracting more from what we have: greater efficiency, smart grids, weatherizing homes, more flex fuels, and the like.

Good. He should support nuclear as a clean, emissionless method of power generation especially for urban areas which lack significant hydroelectricity.

[Q Classic]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Nuclear power is an excellent way to generate electricity and freeing up things like coal and oil for use in mobility. We shouldn't be spending a drop of oil for electricity generation.

I'm not arguing with you here. I've always been a staunch supporter of new reactor technologies, in particular the pebble bed reactors being developed in China and South Africa, or thorium fuel reactors being developed in Germany, Russia, and the USA.

Good. He should support nuclear as a clean, emissionless method of power generation especially for urban areas which lack significant hydroelectricity.

He does support nuclear generation with some caveats.

[Ben Kenobi]

If you want. We've never actually made that bet. But you said a month, not five. Either you hold to one month, or no dice.

Glad to see we are in agreement. It's too close to the election if it's only for a month.

[DinoDoc]

He's described himself as not being a supporter of nuclear power.

[Q Classic]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Glad to see we are in agreement. It's too close to the election if it's only for a month.

1 month or no dice. That was your initial claim.

I'm not willing to speculate as far as the end of the year.

[Q Classic]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
He's described himself as not being a supporter of nuclear power.

You don't have to support something to see its value. His policy position clearly states that he's willing to consider it.

Whether he'd actually do anything about it is another matter, one which I have significantly less confidence regarding. Since nuclear plants take forever to complete, though, and since the Yucca Mountain issue has been going on for years, even if he did do an aboutface and completely support a nuclear option, the first plants likely wouldn't come online until after his term (first, or second, if he does somehow get another one).

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
I must say a long term plan to increase the domestic supply of oil is a great idea of McCain, and drilling everywere is an excellent plan. Oil prices are dropping as supply increases, and dropping much faster then the 3-4 percent that Obama said could be done. The reason? Speculators figure that with the supply increasing, the price is going to drop, so they are selling now when they think oil is high.

Ben, you don't have a clue about what you are talking about. The price of oil on world markets has recently gone down not because of any action in the US but because other countries who subsidize oil prices have decided to pass on some of the oil price increases to consumers. China, India, and Indonesia all recently raised the prices of gasoline by reducing the amount of subsidy the government pays. Not surprising with over 2.5 billion Asians suddenly forced to pay more they've started using less.

[Ben Kenobi]

Ben, you don't have a clue about what you are talking about.

I was told the price was going down because consumption has dropped, as well as increased refinery production in the gulf of mexico, as refineries finally start hitting full production after the Katrina disaster.

Coupled with the fact that our oilsands production continues to rise, along with the production in Saudi Arabia and elsewhere.

[Arrian]

WTF is going on with 'poly? It's been getting worse and worse (for me, anyway). I can barely get threads to open anymore. Feh.

-Arrian