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IIRC, solar power cannot efficiently charge lead-acid batteries due to its low current (or something like that). The gain of efficiency from this process would presumably save on the costs here (who knows, though?).Originally posted by DanS
The stuff that Oerdin quotes shows that solar power is 1.76x the price of coal-generated power, not 5x as he claimed originally.
The system that is described in this paper is more complicated than a normal solar system, however. Panels + inverter + electolyzer + fuel cell + storage volume for hydrogren. Seems more complicated than lead-acid batteries.<Reverend> IRC is just multiplayer notepad.
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Yeh, there's that. On the other hand, even though fuel cells are pretty good nowadays, they do take specialized maintenance.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Nuclear is clearly the best solution on a cost per kilowatt-hour basis. Make lots of nuclear plants and then use them to produce all the hydrogen and electricity we need. Energy problems solved.
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Sounds good...
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The sun ain't nuclear?!?!I'm consitently stupid- Japher
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Those capital costs for nuclear don't seem right. As I recall, they're more like 3 to 6 cents/kwh. Also, you will have to try to get them built -- not an easy proposition nowadays in many parts of the world.
In any event, just look at the chart of these prices over time. The price for solar is dropping steadily. While we can't discount a hitch in the works, it seems likely that solar will be the cheapest source of energy in the medium term for many areas of the world.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Actually, the really interesting possibility is solar-in-space... I wonder if you could use H/O fuel cells to toss solar energy down to earth from a hugely efficient solar satellite.
I of course have no idea if it's in any way possible in terms of the costs of space lifts (as you'd have to take the water up there, right, and that's sorta expensive), but at least once we get on the moon we'll have easily available solar energy
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No, space solar power is ridiculously expensive for terrestrial uses. It might work for some specialized space uses, however.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Che really has it with teh revolutions
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Looking at all this stuff, it looks like Wind is actually cheaper than solar. Also the breakthrough is in electricity storage, which I imagine is even more useful for wind power.
Fusion.The sun ain't nuclear?!?!
I'm still waiting for microwave powerJust play SimCity and you'll know.
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Hey, that breakthrough might be just what I need.
I'm consitently stupid- Japher
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By the way, here's a more reasonably-worded article...
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It will presumably work for any space power... there's no other logical way to get power in space. The fact that you can get 100% utility out of solar power, have much higher power outputs due to the whole no ozone layer/atmosphere thing, and not having to carry around fuel, will help quite a lotOriginally posted by DanS
No, space solar power is ridiculously expensive for terrestrial uses. It might work for some specialized space uses, however.
If you mean the water->O,H fuel cells method specifically, then I'd think it would work for lunar power, and mars power, if we have any sort of base there (in a location that is not permanently sun-facing)...<Reverend> IRC is just multiplayer notepad.
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