Prisoner exchange with Hezbullah - Israeli receives 2 dead bodies

[Felch]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
Is keeping a child murderer in prison more important than ending the suffering of 2 families, due to the uncertain fate of their sons, and husbands?

Each Israeli knows that if something happens to him, Israel will get him back to his family, even if he's no longer alive. I think that is important.

If you had to let go a child murderer to save your family member you would probably have done that.

Sentimentality will only make you weak, and weakness will only encourage your enemies.

As far as releasing a child murderer to save a family member goes, I'd only agree if the family member were alive. Otherwise it's not really saving him at all.

What this tells Hezbullah is that they can murder prisoners, and still exchange them for whatever they want. It's the stupidest move I've ever heard of. A hostage who has been killed should be avenged, not exchanged.

[Felch]

Ah, the more MOBI says, the more American he sounds. I can almost imagine him polishing his private gun collection while he posts.

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by Felch


Sentimentality will only make you weak, and weakness will only encourage your enemies.

As far as releasing a child murderer to save a family member goes, I'd only agree if the family member were alive. Otherwise it's not really saving him at all.

What this tells Hezbullah is that they can murder prisoners, and still exchange them for whatever they want. It's the stupidest move I've ever heard of. A hostage who has been killed should be avenged, not exchanged.

See, even Felch gets it!

[BeBMan]

Originally posted by Felch
Sentimentality will only make you weak, and weakness will only encourage your enemies.

Well there's also the factor what it would mean to the morale of your army (and probably of the whole society) when it becomes clear that the state you are fighting for gives a flying frakk about your fate when you need help most.

[DinoDoc]

BeBro: What's the point in exchanging live prisoners for dead ones?

[BeBMan]

As posted, afaik - at least that's what media here say - it was played by Hzb as if at least one guy was still alive.

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by MOBIUS
Are you thick, or what!!?

****ing hell, Siro - I know you're an arch Israeli apologist and all, but this has to be one of the most stupid things you have ever said on this forum in your life...!!!

What about the family of the child that was killed, knowing its killer has been released!!? It is idiotic! It is just symptomatic of all the stupid behind the scenes back-slapping and deal making that serve to perpetuate the misery of normal people on both sides...

This deal is wrong in so many ways! It is now OK to kill Israelis because you will get other living terrorists released. It is OK to kill children, etc...

How long before the next attack and kidnapping!!!??

I think it's also important that that family realises that when he or she is returned, that it encourages other members of their family also to be killed - but that's OK, cos their bodies will be returned too!

You selfish bastard! You really are a piece of work, aren't you...? Do you actually mean that?

More fool you if that person then returns to kill a member of your own family.

No wonder your country is so ****ed up when people like you actually think this is a good idea!

Jesus ****ing Christ!

It's always a pleasure talking to you, Mobius.

[DinoDoc]

Bull**** BeBro. Israel has a history of this type of idiotic behavior. Siro even said as much in his defense of this debacle.

[Sirotnikov]

What about the family of the child that was killed, knowing its killer has been released!!?

it has already lost a child.

having the killer in jail is important, but is it really more important than the well being of another innocent family?

[BeBMan]

?

Why is it BS when I refer to what media said - that there were hopes one was still alive? Even the article said

"The transfer of the two coffins was the first confirmation by Hezbollah that the Israeli soldiers were dead. Hezbollah had refused to clarify whether the men had been killed at the time of their capture in 2006 or afterward, although it had long been assumed in Israel that they were no longer alive."

If it was realistic to hope they were alive is another question, but of course that's easy to count out when you are not involved.

[Sirotnikov]

What this tells Hezbullah is that they can murder prisoners, and still exchange them for whatever they want. It's the stupidest move I've ever heard of. A hostage who has been killed should be avenged, not exchanged.

the soldiers are estimated to have died on site or immediately after the kidnapping, due to extensive wounds.

[Sirotnikov]

A hostage who has been killed should be avenged, not exchanged.

well we sorta went to war and killed some 600 hezbullah members in 2006.

Hezbullah's top military leader, grand terrorist Imad Mughanye died in a mysterious blast.

I'm sure that the rest who are related to this kidnapping will not lead happy lives for long.

Revenge does not replace the importance of burial and bringing peace to grieving families.

[Sirotnikov]

Sentimentality will only make you weak, and weakness will only encourage your enemies.

sentimentality makes you human.

What you all care about is keeping the other side "down" or punished.
I care more about keeping Israeli families morally strong and knowing that the state will do anything for them.

If there's a choise between both sides sad (israel and hezbullah) and both sides happy, then I prefer the latter one.

Sure, I think we paid a steep price. But you can only bargain so much before you have to make a decision, and the political situation did not allow Olmert to bargain much more. The families lead a strong campaign and had public opinion on their side.

Does it make Hezbullah morally stronger in Lebanese Eyes? To some - yes. But eventually what they paid for getting 5 murderes back was 1400 dead Lebanese and a ****load of damage in 2006.

But did this deal make Israel morally stronger? I hope so.
Everyone would have preferred we had done an 'entebbe' and rescued them or their bodies. But it's not always possible and we did try it during the war.

And yes, I understand that the deal encourages kidnappings. But the 2006 war discouraged them, so that's a good balance.

Also both sides know that in case of another kidnapping / war, there will be much worse repercussions.

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov

it has already lost a child.

having the killer in jail is important, but is it really more important than the well being of another innocent family?

You really are twisted, aren't you!?

The family of the dead child probably had closure up until the moment this guy came back into the news. Not only that, but he is being released because of political expediency...

The Israeli govt don't care this guy's crime and are just using his as a pawn.

As for the importance of the well being of another innocent family - what if he kills another innocent family's child?

Swapping live prisoners for dead is just a case of utter weakness - your govt caved and looks pathetic. Just the final nail of defeat in the coffin(s) of Israel's war with Lebanon in 2006...

Israel should have held out for a straight body swap and nothing more. Which is also why your stupid govt won't have the balls to attack Iran and is embarrassing itself pretending that it will...

the soldiers are estimated to have died on site or immediately after the kidnapping, due to extensive wounds.

Gives a whole new meaning to "Invasion of the Body Snatchers"...

See, they even take the bodies from your own country knowing full well they can get leverage later - because it's worked time and time in the past, and will continue to do so in the future...

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov

well we sorta went to war and killed some 600 hezbullah members in 2006.

And at least 800 civilians in your own words...