Proof: God makes you stupid

[Ben Kenobi]

Yes, but we're talking about how reasonable it is to believe something. If you can show me a way outside of logic that can help us determine how likely it is for a particular explanation to be true, please do so.

That requires a logical statement and a general framework, as well as a few presuppositions. I would argue that God is the best way to answer some questions that otherwise have no explanation are are left up to chance.

It is perfectly reasonable to think that aliens could exist because we have already observed life existing on a planet. Attempting to define or describe any potential aliens, however, is pretty silly because, yes, we haven't observed any.

Intelligent life capable of traversing stars and seeding a planet? We have no such observations. Why is it reasonable to think that there are such aliens out there who would do such a thing?

Of course it explains something; it answers the question, "How did life arise on Earth?" It doesn't answer the question, "How did life arise?" But that's okay. Scientists don't generally attempt to answer all the questions at once. They focus on what they can given the evidence at hand.

True, but it really postpones the question, "how did life arise?" which generally is the question that is trying to be answered.

Also, the word "God" does not explain how life came about. Yes, you can have a mythological story about the origin of life based on God, but that's not an explanation.

It is an explanation, albeit not a scientific one.

It's not a theory. It can't be proven. It's just accepting that you do not understand how life arose, because you're relying on something that cannot be proven in order to explain it.

Science cannot answer the question "what is science"? There are many forms of knowledge beyond that of the scientific method.

Now, accepting that you don't understand how life came about is perfectly fine, because we don't really know yet. But I'm okay with not knowing. I don't need to jump to "God did it!" just because I don't know right now.

I would argue the question of "how did life arise" is unanswerable unless God exists, which is an entirely different argument. All the alternative explanations have flaws in them, and cannot be proven through the scientific method.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


No, God was his word for the universe.

Yeah, but believeing that the universe is intrinsically harmonious makes it godly.

[Caligastia]

This "research" amounts to little more than: "nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah, you believe in god so you must be stupid!"

[Theben]

PLZ DONT FEED THE BEN [/kuci]

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
That requires a logical statement and a general framework, as well as a few presuppositions. I would argue that God is the best way to answer some questions that otherwise have no explanation are are left up to chance.

So that would be a no, then. I mean, if you assume the existence of God, sure. But then this all gets kind of meaningless, no?

Intelligent life capable of traversing stars and seeding a planet? We have no such observations. Why is it reasonable to think that there are such aliens out there who would do such a thing?

No, it's not reasonable to think that there are such aliens out there. But it is more reasonable to believe that than to believe in something that cannot be proven to exist.

Also, for clarification purposes, because I am unfamiliar with Dawkins' stance on this, does he suppose that intelligent aliens actually traversed the stars and seeded life on Earth on purpose or does he suppose that organic material on a passing stellar object may have ended up on Earth somehow? There's a big difference.

True, but it really postpones the question, "how did life arise?" which generally is the question that is trying to be answered.

I won't deny that. But do we need the answer now? Why try to answer the big question when we have so many smaller questions to answer first, and before we have all the facts?

It is an explanation, albeit not a scientific one.

No, it's not an explanation. It's an assumption. Because you cannot state anything specific about God's existence, including him in your arguments must be done so as an assumption.

Science cannot answer the question "what is science"?

I'm not sure that I understand what you're trying to say here.

There are many forms of knowledge beyond that of the scientific method.

Sure, but few of them have proven as successful as the scientific method at producing useful results.

I would argue the question of "how did life arise" is unanswerable unless God exists, which is an entirely different argument. All the alternative explanations have flaws in them, and cannot be proven through the scientific method.

I'm going to guess you believe this because you believe in God, perhaps?

I would also argue that other explanations for how life arose are not flawed but incomplete. But as I've said before, this is okay in science.

[Wezil]

If I were a poster here that believed in god I'd be very worried. Ben is on your side of the argument.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Wezil
If I were a poster here that believed in god I'd be very worried. Ben is on your side of the argument.

JM

[Panag]

Hi ,

thats called research


i can do science me

plenty of people on poly are religous btw , ... try a poll on it

have a nice day > note not to those researchers

[SlowwHand]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris


Yeah, but believeing that the universe is intrinsically harmonious makes it godly.

"Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."



First thing said in the Bible. You should open one sometime.

[Panag]

Originally posted by SlowwHand


"Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."



First thing said in the Bible. You should open one sometime.

hey ,

you think they will , .....

[SlowwHand]

Yeah, and I'm going to win the lotto, too.

[Wezil]

If I want fiction there is better written stuff out there.

[SlowwHand]

What book has the most films as a reference?

[Wezil]

Hey, I never claimed there weren't good stories in it. Just poorly written. Too many begats.

[Theben]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
"Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."

First thing said in the Bible. You should open one sometime.

tldr