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Originally posted by Kidicious
This is what I call subtle sexism.
This is what I call subtle sexism.
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Please, you have in this entire thread failed to produce a good argument for your point now you just resort to name calling? Or should I say subtle name calling?
Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
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Sure, Che, and when a battered woman finally snaps and cuts of the guy's dick, I'm in her corner.When the oppressed discriminate against their oppressors, it's not wrong.
If someone is abused simply b/c of their gender, however, that's not "the oppressed" getting back at "the oppressor" even if the abuser is female and the abused is male. The guy may have done nothing wrong at all.
As for 'poly, there is some sexism here, but I think you overstate it. It's often stomped on, in fact.
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And yet, I think you completely overstate the sexism.Originally posted by Kidicious
I don't think aneeshm should be the standard. Most sexism is very subtle. Aneeshm comes from a different culture.
Because NO ONE is for violence towards women! Why start a thread where no one disagrees? What ads are there that advocate violence towards women to discuss?It's a matter of how much concern you have. If you aren't equally concerned with everyone then you are a bigot. Why start a thread opposed to violence towards men when violence toward women is a much bigger problem. Hell, there are worthy men's rights issues, but the OP doesn't address any of those, now does it. This is what I call subtle sexism.
Really, by refering to it as "subtle sexism", what you saying is that it is wrong to talk about violence towards men, because that isn't as big an issue as violence towards woman. That's BS... that type of attitude is what make violence towards men seem ok.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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Is that a joke? You don't think anyone with have a brain can see what you have attempted to do. You started a uncontroversal poll. You didn't try to raise awareness for women's rights at all. I said start a thread like this one, and you couldn't do it, could you?Originally posted by Felch
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Right now only 6 people have voted.
3 think men and women are exactly equal.
3 think men and women are different, but are not saying either is better.
0 votes for "Men are better than Women"
I'll give it a little time, to see if more votes come in. But it doesn't look like there's any strong misogynistic sentiment here.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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Is that why so many women are victims of violence? They don't go around saying they are for violence towards women. That's what you need to understand.Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Because NO ONE is for violence towards women!
As I already said, it's not wrong to talk about violence towards men, and no one disagrees that violence against men is wrong. Now that I can assure you. What's wrong is not speaking out against violence towards women, or down playing it.Really, by refering to it as "subtle sexism", what you saying is that it is wrong to talk about violence towards men, because that isn't as big an issue as violence towards woman. That's BS... that type of attitude is what make violence towards men seem ok.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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I can assure you that any women who commits violence towards a man has been a victim herself.Originally posted by Arrian
Sure, Che, and when a battered woman finally snaps and cuts of the guy's dick, I'm in her corner.
If someone is abused simply b/c of their gender, however, that's not "the oppressed" getting back at "the oppressor" even if the abuser is female and the abused is male. The guy may have done nothing wrong at all.
As for 'poly, there is some sexism here, but I think you overstate it. It's often stomped on, in fact.
-ArrianI drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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Originally posted by Kidicious
I can assure you that any women who commits violence towards a man has been a victim herself.
Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez DávilaComment
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Maybe that's your problem. You don't understand that the real problem here is with men and their patriachal system.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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Well, that's pretty much true for most violent people.Originally posted by Kidicious
I can assure you that any women who commits violence towards a man has been a victim herself.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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Good.Originally posted by Kidicious
As I already said, it's not wrong to talk about violence towards men, and no one disagrees that violence against men is wrong. Now that I can assure you.
False dichotomyOriginally posted by Kidicious
What's wrong is not speaking out against violence towards women, or down playing it.Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez DávilaComment
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Some men learn to be violent towards women because their fathers were violent towards their mothers, but often, yes, they were beaten also.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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Did you get hit in the head too many times?I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett KavanaughComment
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You don't really understand what you are saying. If you define violence so widly then everyone has been exposed to violence from the group they abuse.Originally posted by Kidicious
Maybe that's your problem. You don't understand that the real problem here is with men and their patriachal system.
The patriarchal system is the problem, I'm just saying the transition to true eqality must be based on principle, otherwise we have the possibility of overshooting and landing in a matriachy (before you dissmis this, consider how the advance of technology will make males obsolete, from a reproductive standpoint in the following decades).Last edited by Heraclitus; May 29, 2008, 18:29.Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez DávilaComment
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Ming mode: Cut the personal crap!Originally posted by Kidicious
Did you get hit in the head too many times?
Me mode:
You paint the picture as if the only way to talk about the problem of the abuse of women is to be silent about the abuse of men.
Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez DávilaComment
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You enjoy saying ridiculous things, don't you?I can assure you that any women who commits violence towards a man has been a victim herself.
The majority probably have been, sure, but there is no way you can possibly know for sure. Violence begets violence. The abused often go on to be abusers. It's terrible.
It's terrible regardless of gender. Violence is a major problem. Domestic violence is a big part of it, and I've no problem at all with the various efforts to end it (for instance, hurray for Joe Torre's "Safe at Home" foundation), and the focus on stopping violence against women (as that is the majority of it).
What I cannot understand is your utter refusal to simply agree that in the rare case of the abuse of an innocent male by his female spouse/whatever, it's also wrong. It's so freaking simple and obvious. Of course it's wrong, and it shouldn't be ignored.
EDIT: I just saw that you finally said it. Bravo.
No one here is saying violence against women is ok, or that it shouldn't be something we, as a society, work to reduce. No one.
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