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  • #76
    Originally posted by Heraclitus


    Just as we don't complain about the fundamental injustice of murder. Its a priori recognised as a bad and harmfull thing. No one is arguing that it is not a problem!
    I wouldn't be so sure that no men here have beaten women and or abused/oppressed them in some way. I'm sure you're wrong.
    I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
    - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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    • #77
      Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Funny right?

      Originally posted by Kidicious

      Only blacks are ignorant for making up a religion, not whites for making up religion?



      Can you say: "Misrepresenting someones position in order to get a cheap ad hominem in."
      Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
      The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
      The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
        You really think that's why they laugh at those jokes?


        Do you really thing "Because she just won't ****ing listen," is funny?

        How many people on Apolyton, do you think, believe violence towards women is ok?


        More than a few, though none would admit it. Still the amount of women hating threads on this site disgusts me. I definitely do not count you among them. While I think your even handedness is misguided, you are one of the few that consistently sticks up for women and against women's oppression. I think you may be putting your feelings on others.
        Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Kidicious


          I wouldn't be so sure that no men here have beaten women and or abused/oppressed them in some way. I'm sure you're wrong.
          Am I woulden't be sure some men haven't commited homicide or theft. Your point?
          Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
          The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
          The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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          • #80
            Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Funny right?

            Originally posted by chegitz guevara
            Is the NoI oppressing whites? No.
            Not while I'm alive they won't.
            John Brown did nothing wrong.

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            • #81
              On Apolyton? Zero.
              Tell me how big a community is poly?
              Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
              The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
              The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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              • #82
                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Funny right?

                Originally posted by chegitz guevara


                Is the NoI oppressing whites? No.
                No, but since a Godwin seems appropriate for this one, I would argue that the Nazi party wasn't opressing jews before they came to power.


                In any case you linking struggle for liberation to them is a package-deal fallancy.
                Last edited by Heraclitus; May 27, 2008, 14:48.
                Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
                The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
                The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by chegitz guevara
                  Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                  You really think that's why they laugh at those jokes?


                  Do you really thing "Because she just won't ****ing listen," is funny?
                  It can be (though, I may feel bad for laughing). Just as violence against men jokes can be funny if done right... but I'm an equal oppertunity humor finder. It doesn't matter to me who is the "oppressed class".

                  People can think its wrong to joke about violence against men and still think the jokes are funny (just as I know I've laughed at a large number of Holocaust jokes, but they were soooo wrong).

                  How many people on Apolyton, do you think, believe violence towards women is ok?


                  More than a few, though none would admit it. Still the amount of women hating threads on this site disgusts me. I definitely do not count you among them. While I think your even handedness is misguided, you are one of the few that consistently sticks up for women and against women's oppression. I think you may be putting your feelings on others.
                  It is quite rare among the regulars on this site to hate women and I don't think I'm in a minority about it. There have been threads where people have been slammed for their anti-woman threads (ie, any David Floyd thread in the last year).

                  So then I don't think that complaining about violence against men ads is wrong. I don't think you get to equality by demeaning the "oppressor" class. You just create resentment. For people who really liked the Obama race speech, you people really missed the white person anger part of it .

                  As for putting my feelings on others, maybe that's why I've become more liberal... my optimism in others must be growing .
                  “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                  - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by chegitz guevara
                    I think you may be putting your feelings on others.
                    I was thinking the same thing about you. You'ver overcompensating.
                    "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                    Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Kidicious


                      What a bunch of crap?! Continually complaining about the oppression of a dominant group is in no way liberal. That's an insane way to define a liberal. What these people are doing is making it look like minorities are not dominated at all because they are also oppressing the rulling group? You don't see how transparent people's actions are?
                      Dude I think you are seeing a conspiracy here. Lots of people on poly are borderline faschists but I don't think I've seen them speak out in this or any other thread with racist or mysogenist comments, if not for any other reason then because they know they would be crucified by the vast majority who supports human rights.
                      Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
                      The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
                      The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

                        It is quite rare among the regulars on this site to hate women and I don't think I'm in a minority about it. There have been threads where people have been slammed for their anti-woman threads (ie, any David Floyd thread in the last year).

                        So then I don't think that complaining about violence against men ads is wrong. I don't think you get to equality by demeaning the "oppressor" class. You just create resentment. For people who really liked the Obama race speech, you people really missed the white person anger part of it .

                        As for putting my feelings on others, maybe that's why I've become more liberal... my optimism in others must be growing .
                        QFT
                        Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
                        The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
                        The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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                        • #87
                          Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Funny right?

                          Originally posted by Heraclitus


                          Can you say: "Misrepresenting someones position...
                          Isn't that a "straw man" in English? That may be a faster way of saying it.
                          "lol internet" ~ AAHZ

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                          • #88
                            Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Funny right?

                            Originally posted by Alinestra Covelia


                            Isn't that a "straw man" in English? That may be a faster way of saying it.
                            Yes it is but people call on each others "straw men" on poly soo much that I almost don't notice the word when I read it anymore. I supsects its the same with other posters here. I'm abusing human psychology by finding unusall ways to say normal things in order to add weight to my argument.



                            As you know people are biased when it comes to size, the longer the post the more impressive it seems.
                            Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
                            The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
                            The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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                            • #89
                              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Funny right?

                              Originally posted by Heraclitus
                              No, but since a Godwin seems appropriate for this one, I would argue that the Nazi party wasn't opressing jews before they came to power.


                              Invalid comparison. The NoI is never going to come to power in the U.S., even were they to get 100% of Blacks to support them. You're also wrong about the Nazis not oppressing Jews before they came to power.

                              In any case you linking struggle for liberation them is a packkage-deal fallancy.


                              Speak English much?
                              Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                              • #90
                                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Funny right?

                                Originally posted by chegitz guevara
                                Originally posted by Heraclitus
                                No, but since a Godwin seems appropriate for this one, I would argue that the Nazi party wasn't opressing jews before they came to power.


                                Invalid comparison. The NoI is never going to come to power in the U.S.
                                How do you know this? Also I am refering to black supremacism in general not to NoI specifically.

                                Originally posted by chegitz guevara
                                You're also wrong about the Nazis not oppressing Jews before they came to power.
                                How do you reckon that? If they didn't have the power to change laws or enforce policy they only had the power of commiting crimes against Jews or encouraging the authorities to turn a blind eye to those crimes, the same power black supremacists already have to a small extent and will only continue to gain more of.



                                In any case you linking struggle for liberation them is a packkage-deal fallancy.


                                Speak English much?
                                Honest mistake, it can happen to anyone. I'm not exactly paying attention to what I type, I suppose I should when arguing about importatn stuff. But tell me when was the last time you changed someones opinon in an online debate? Do you think its worth investing energy into?

                                And no I don't use English often, you see there are a whole bunch of crazy countries aroung the world where they don't use the language. And I resent you insinuating that just becasue of the occasiona grave error, or bad spelling when I don't feel like wasting time, my arguments are somehow moot just becasue I happen to have been born in a different culture or that perhaps I suffer mildy from dyslexia. Also have you seen how some people on other sites use the language?! And those are native speakers.

                                If you just meant to alert me to my mistakes you could have easily pointed it out, but you aren''t interested in trying to educate people you are interested in proving your point, in getting your way, in proving that you are right and I am wrong. You may say, yes that is the point of debating. And I would say no to that, the point of a debate is the pursuit of truth. I am always open to arguments and I do not go into a battle of wits hoping to win, I go in hoping to come out wiser.

                                But to call this thread a battle of wits is just...
                                Last edited by Heraclitus; May 27, 2008, 14:52.
                                Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
                                The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
                                The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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