Macedonia

[Heraclitus]

or MMORPG?

[MarkG]

Originally posted by Heraclitus
So now a people have to be civlised to have the right to rule over themselves. Since that is what a state is.

you are making some giant leaps there. it's beyond trolling....

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by MarkG
you are making some giant leaps there. it's beyond trolling....

Well you won't allow them to have a country called the Republic of Macedonia so how else am I supposed to troll that?


In any case you accused me of trolling, I demand an apology, I was merley joking when I said I was trolling.

[Alexander I]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: see what happens when you start with specifics?

Originally posted by LordShiva

Originally posted by LordShiva
you are aware that ancient greeks were separated in city-states which were often at war with other, right?

And then Philip of Macedon, an outsider, came in and pwnd them

Of course.

[Traianvs]

Originally posted by Heraclitus


QFT

I rember a pet theory my firend had, he said that the real Greeks had been displaced during the early dark ages. The only group to remain where the Macedonians who then intermarried and became assimilated by slavic immigrants. So in that sense the Greeks should really apologise to the Macedonians for calling themselves Greek. I mean just becasue theri language is derived from ancient Greek dosen't mean they are the same people, heck, by that logic Cubans could call themselves Romans.

You're right, but...

The first Indogerman incursions took place around 2000 B.C. through Greece up to Arcadia in the Peloponesos.
A second wave ocurred between 1300-900 B.C. Northwest-Greeks to Chalkidike, Elis and Achaia. Aeolians splitting of from the aforementioned tribes, settling in Boeotia (and also in Aeolia, Turkey). Ionians split off from some Early Greeks of Mid-Greece and settled in Attika, Euboea, lots of Aegaean islands and Ionian Turkey. And of course the Doric tribes into the Argolis, Lakonia and partly Messene, several Aegaen islands (Melos, Thera), Crete, Rhodos, and Caria on the Turkish southwestern coast.

I'm mentioning this drivel because these people are the actual Greeks we speak of when discussing the ancient Greeks The Macedonians were only a mixture of later Greeks and northern (non-Greek) tribes, becoming Hellenized fairly late on . so I think you're wrong...

[DaShi]

Perhaps I should name my son Macedonia.

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by DaShi
Perhaps I should name my son Macedonia.

No he should be the The Son of DaShi Formerly Known as Macedonia.

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by Traianvs
The Macedonians were only a mixture of later Greeks and northern (non-Greek) tribes, becoming Hellenized fairly late on . so I think you're wrong...

Aha, but this means they where kind of pseudo-Greek meaning the Greek hold on their title is slim, meaning the modern macedonians can claim it the same way some people in Normandy claim Nordic heritage despite none of the original language of the Normans remaining.

[Traianvs]

Originally posted by Heraclitus


Aha, but this means they where kind of pseudo-Greek meaning the Greek hold on their title is slim, meaning the modern macedonians can claim it the same way some people in Normandy claim Nordic heritage despite none of the original language of the Normans remaining.

err whatever dude, it's just a name, lal



I don't know for sure, but Macedonia is a Greek name, no? It's probably derived from the word in the native language of course. But it's still Greek

[VetLegion]

Tamoooooo gdjeeee, vjecno sunceeeee sjaaaaa, tamo jeeee Makedonijaaaaa

[MarkG]

Originally posted by Traianvs
I don't know for sure, but Macedonia is a Greek name, no? It's probably derived from the word in the native language of course. But it's still Greek

it sure is

There are a number of theories regarding the etymology of the name Macedonia.

Mythological personage

According to ancient Greek mythology, Makednos was the name of the first phylarch (tribal chief) or progenitor of the tribe that initially settled western, southern and central Macedonia and founded the kingdom of Macedon.

Tall men

According to Herodotus, the Makednoí were a tribe akin to the Dorians,[1] one of the principal ancient Greek tribes. The name probably derives from the adjective μακεδνός makednós, meaning "tall", which Homer uses for a poplar tree,[2] and which the grammarian Hesychius of Alexandria records as a Doric word meaning "large" or "heavenly".[3] It has been commonly suggested that both the Macedonians (Makedónes) and their Makednoí tribal ancestors were regarded as tall people.[4]

Highland and highlanders

According to the World Book Encyclopedia, the names Macedonia and Macedonians derive from the Greek word Macednon which means high — a reference to the group's mountainous homeland. The Online Etymology Dictionary quoting Ernest Klein's etymological dictionary[5] summarizes these theories as:

From Gk. Makedones, lit. "highlanders" or "the tall ones," related to makednos "long, tall," makros "long, large".[6]

There would appear to be a synonymy among the names of different tribes living in the region: the most likely meanings of Dorians and Bryges also are "highlanders." All the previous names are of Indo-European origin, the root of makednos being *māk-, "long, thin", which becomes "long, large" in Greek.[7] The syllables beyond *māk- are not a compound resulting from the process of production, but are an inherited extension of unknown prehistoric origin; in this case, *-dno-.[8]

Another hypothesis suggests that Makedónes may derive from an unattested ancient Macedonian bahuvrihi *μακι-κεδόνες *maki-kedónes meaning "of the high earth" or "highlanders",[9] which means the same thing but achieves the meaning with a compound rather than an extension.

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by Traianvs


err whatever dude, it's just a name, lal

That's what I keep saying and that is why its odd the Greeks won't let the Macedonians call temselves what they want and insist on silly names like "Skopia".

[MarkG]

Originally posted by Traianvs
I'm mentioning this drivel because these people are the actual Greeks we speak of when discussing the ancient Greeks The Macedonians were only a mixture of later Greeks and northern (non-Greek) tribes, becoming Hellenized fairly late on . so I think you're wrong...

not sure what you mean by "late", given that the Argead dynasty goes back to the 8th century

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argead_Dynasty

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by Traianvs

I don't know for sure, but Macedonia is a Greek name, no? It's probably derived from the word in the native language of course. But it's still Greek

And that makes a difference how? How about the douzens, nay at least a hundred states around the world that call themselves with a name derived from a foreign language.



I suppose America is therefore Roman, since its name is derived from the latin name of Amerigo Vesspucci; Americus Vespucius.

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by MarkG
not sure what you mean by "late", given that the Argead dynasty goes back to the 8th century
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argead_Dynasty

Late as in way later than 2000BC.