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    Lost Generations
    Japan Steadily Becoming a Land Of Few Children

    By Blaine Harden
    Washington Post Foreign Service
    Tuesday, May 6, 2008; A10

    TOKYO, May 5 -- Japan celebrated a national holiday on Monday in honor of its children. But Children's Day might just as easily have been a national day of mourning.

    For this is the land of disappearing children and a slow-motion demographic catastrophe that is without precedent in the developed world.

    The number of children has declined for 27 consecutive years, a government report said over the weekend. Japan now has fewer children who are 14 or younger than at any time since 1908.

    The proportion of children in the population fell to an all-time low of 13.5 percent. That number has been falling for 34 straight years and is the lowest among 31 major countries, according to the report. In the United States, children account for about 20 percent of the population.

    Japan also has a surfeit of the elderly. About 22 percent of the population is 65 or older, the highest proportion in the world. And that number is on the rise. By 2020, the elderly will outnumber children by nearly 3 to 1, the government report predicted. By 2040, they will outnumber them by nearly 4 to 1.

    The economic and social consequences of these trends are difficult to overstate.

    Japan, now the world's second-largest economy, will lose 70 percent of its workforce by 2050 and economic growth will slow to zero, according to a report this year by the nonprofit Japan Center for Economic Research.

    Population shrinkage began three years ago and is gathering pace. Within 50 years, the population, now 127 million, will fall by a third, the government projects. Within a century, two-thirds of the population will be gone.

    In what is now being called a "super-aging" society, department and grocery stores have recorded declining sales for a decade -- and new car sales have fallen for 18 consecutive years.

    Rural Japan, thus far, has borne the brunt of the slide. In depopulated small towns, stores are closing, governments are desperate for tax revenue and there are chronic shortages of doctors and nurses. The government is subsidizing the development of robots as caregivers for the old.

    To a steadily increasing degree, Japan's future depends on metro Tokyo, the world's largest megalopolis. It is home to about 35 million people, or 27 percent of the country's population.

    But in Tokyo, children account for just 11.8 percent of the population, according to the new government report. That's the lowest proportion in all of Japan.
    Last edited by DanS; May 6, 2008, 11:05.
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    Much of the developed world is headed this way.
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    • #3
      If it weren't for illegal immigration, we'd be headed that way.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Q Cubed
        Much of the developed world is headed this way.
        I agree with this. And part of the developing world as well (China).

        But not the US.
        I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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        • #5
          Originally posted by DanS


          I agree with this. And part of the developing world as well (China).

          But not the US.
          Yes. I've started hearing reasonably convincing arguments that we may not need to fear China as much, because they won't be rich enough to dramatically threaten us from a military standpoint by the time their baby boom starts to turn into an aged bust.
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          • #6
            Then you heard wrong, because we must fear China as much as possible. Ideally, you should be too afraid to ever crawl out from under your bed.
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            • #7
              Well, China has experienced something of a baby boom lately...
              I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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              • #8
                Things are bad here in Korea too, not as bad as Japan but still...

                A bit chunk of it is the education costs to keep up with the rat race here are stupidly expensive. Korea spends something like 10% of GDP on private education and most of that is after school lessons that kids take on top of their public school, so its really expensive to have more than one or two kids.

                Add in massive use of abortion due to lack of contraceptive use and that doesn't do much for fertility when the women finally decide to have kids.
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                • #9
                  From what I have seen, Korea spends about the same as the US. That means 10% for education overall, not 10% for private education. Point stands that the US and Korea spend much more than others on education.

                  To be honest, I would have expected the Japanese to have more children, after the real estate bust made housing more affordable.
                  I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                  • #10
                    Yes. I've started hearing reasonably convincing arguments that we may not need to fear China as much, because they won't be rich enough to dramatically threaten us from a military standpoint by the time their baby boom starts to turn into an aged bust.
                    They have about 20 years before the average Chinese person will be older then the average American.
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                    • #11
                      If it weren't for illegal immigration, we'd be headed that way.
                      US is the only developed nation that is replacing itself.
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                      • #12
                        New Zealand and Israel also are replacing themselves.
                        I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                        • #13
                          France is doing reasonably well.
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                          • #14
                            population control
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by DanS


                              I agree with this. And part of the developing world as well (China).

                              But not the US.
                              That's if you look at US as a whole. If you look at non-hispanic whites, they continue to have declining TFR.

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