WTF is wrong with Rev. Wright?

[Berzerker]

[conspiracy theory] Wright came out now so that Barack could distance himself now rather than closer to the general. AIDS comment provides easy fodder and rationale. [/conspiracy theory]

yup, have a public fight

[SpencerH]

So there he was lecturing an audience at the National Press Club about everything from the black slave experience to the differences in sentencing for possession of crack and powdered cocaine.

It seems as though no one takes issue with these sentiments (those above and below are from Ogies P4 quote).

The "black slave experience". Hmmm, Wright must be older than I knew. Here's a thought, time to get over it! No one alive today was a slave before 1865. Why continue to belabor something that may have been true of your great great great grandparents. The ancestors of most people of european descent lived in the virtual slavery of indentured servitude. 50-75% of of all immigrants to Colonial America arrived as indentured servants. Look at the wretched lives of the Pennsylvania, West Virginia, and Kentucky coal miners in the past. I dont see the same level of vitriol over those injustices.

the idea that blacks too often get the short end of the stick in America, that the malignant influences of slavery and the long dark night of racial discrimination are still being felt today, that in many ways this is a profoundly inequitable society.

Do blacks in America get "the short end of the stick"? Sometimes. Racism exists in all countries (and I get the feeling that it is much more pervasive here in NJ than I ever felt at home in BAMA). I've never personally seen a instance of it effecting someones life though (ie turned down for a job or promotion etc). If it was so pervasive wouldnt that be likely to have happened?

Is this "a profoundly inequitable society"? Not based on what I see. I'm not denying that there are economic disparities but for the most part those are not the result of differences in the opportunity to better oneself.

I just get tired of the same guilty white man rubbish that is trotted out to explain the problems that African-Americans have rather than deal with the root causes of those problems.

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by SpencerH

I just get tired of the same guilty white man rubbish that is trotted out to explain the problems that African-Americans have rather than deal with the root causes of those problems.

QFT

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Aeson
Your's was probably a joke. Kid's...

Kid IS making a good point though (I can't believe I said that ). Obama used Wright's church to get ahead in political life and probably was fully aware of his incendiary remarks at the time, but now it becomes a liability, he's shedding it as quick as he can.

Basically Obama is trying to have his cake and eat it too.

[Wezil]

He should have dodged sniper fire in Bosnia instead.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by SpencerH


It seems as though no one takes issue with these sentiments (those above and below are from Ogies P4 quote).

The "black slave experience". Hmmm, Wright must be older than I knew. Here's a thought, time to get over it! No one alive today was a slave before 1865. Why continue to belabor something that may have been true of your great great great grandparents. The ancestors of most people of european descent lived in the virtual slavery of indentured servitude. 50-75% of of all immigrants to Colonial America arrived as indentured servants. Look at the wretched lives of the Pennsylvania, West Virginia, and Kentucky coal miners in the past. I dont see the same level of vitriol over those injustices.



Do blacks in America get "the short end of the stick"? Sometimes. Racism exists in all countries (and I get the feeling that it is much more pervasive here in NJ than I ever felt at home in BAMA). I've never personally seen a instance of it effecting someones life though (ie turned down for a job or promotion etc). If it was so pervasive wouldnt that be likely to have happened?

Is this "a profoundly inequitable society"? Not based on what I see. I'm not denying that there are economic disparities but for the most part those are not the result of differences in the opportunity to better oneself.

I just get tired of the same guilty white man rubbish that is trotted out to explain the problems that African-Americans have rather than deal with the root causes of those problems.

Dude WTF, it's only 40 years since the US achieved universal suffrage.

[Arrian]

It's clear that Obama is an Oreo. How sad.

Yes, it would be much better if he was a militant anti-whitey type. Better for America, better for the world. Then he would lose the election horribly, black politicians would be further stymatized as radicals who have revenge on their minds, and we'd keep right on electing old white guys for the foreseable future.

Obama has a mixed background. It's natural that he isn't (to borrow a phrase from the immortal Gary Sheffield) "all the way black." Sheff's original comment was directed at Derek Jeter, who, *shocker* has a black father and white mother. Hurray for denigrating children of mixed marriages!

-Arrian

[Imran Siddiqui]

But there are no black racists

[Aeson]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Kid IS making a good point though (I can't believe I said that ). Obama used Wright's church to get ahead in political life and probably was fully aware of his incendiary remarks at the time, but now it becomes a liability, he's shedding it as quick as he can.

Basically Obama is trying to have his cake and eat it too.

That's bull****. If anything, the Rev used Obama. And the Rev definitely was the one to drop the relationship.

Watch the video I posted again. Recall some of the flak Obama got for not dumping the Rev like a 2-bit whore initially? Obama tried to distance himself from the specific comments, which is perfectly understandable. He tried to do so in a way that allowed him to have a relationship with the man without agreeing with everything he said. You don't agree with everything your friends or family thinks, right?

The Rev called Obama out on this. Basically said Obama was lying to the American public about his views. That ends it. Obama has to cut him out entirely. Friends don't call friends liars on national TV, especially not in a presidential race.

How is that hard to understand?

[Imran Siddiqui]

If anything, the Rev used Obama.

That's silly. Obama obviously knew the benefits of being part of that congregation when running for office as, first, a state senator and then a US Senator.

[Arrian]

Seems to me they used each other.

-Arrian

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Arrian

Yes, it would be much better if he was a militant anti-whitey type. Better for America, better for the world. Then he would lose the election horribly, black politicians would be further stymatized as radicals who have revenge on their minds, and we'd keep right on electing old white guys for the foreseable future.

Obama has a mixed background. It's natural that he isn't (to borrow a phrase from the immortal Gary Sheffield) "all the way black." Sheff's original comment was directed at Derek Jeter, who, *shocker* has a black father and white mother. Hurray for denigrating children of mixed marriages!

-Arrian

Oh come on. It's pretty clear that Obama was more radical than he's been willing to let on, and now he's crying because he has been called on it. He is far more liberal than Hillary, but wants to appear less. That is the basis of his appeal to educated democrats, who have gone along with his pretence because they don't mind his radicalism. People can smell that bull a mile off. At least Hillary has the honesty to run as a frigid shrew, and Bush had the honesty to run as a ******. Obama the centrist is John Kerry duck hunting.

I don't mind Reverend Wright. If I were a Christian, I'd probably attend a radical church like his. Unlike Obama, however, I wouldn't pretend that I had spent 20 years attending church with earplugs on. Obama doing that pissed off Wright, and now Wright is getting his own back.

Obama's dishonesty makes him look more radical than he actually is. If he hadn't betrayed Wright by agreeing with the media's electronic lynching, he wouldn't be in this mess. Instead he took the easy way out by painting his own pastor and mentor as justifying 9/11 (which he didn't: I've seen the tape).

On the other hand, the real story is that your political system is fubared. The whole campaign is an epic failure.

In other countries character is a minor aspect of a campaign, except in extreme circumstances. For the most part people are interested in policy. However, I couldn't tell you the policy differences between Hillary and Obama other than that Hillary seems to have a better health plan and would nuke people in defence of Israel and Obama would or would not bomb Pakistan without telling them. On the other hand, I do know that Hillary pretended to have been Rambo in Bosnia, and Obama went to a radical black church where the pastor damned America and smoked weed, and once wore traditional Kenyan dress, and attended what may have been a Muslim school when he was four, and once served on the same committee as one of the Weathermen, and once bought land from a dodgy realtor, and has "Hussein" as a middle name JUST LIEK SADDAM HUSSEIN AND IF YOU CHANGE A LETTER IN HIS NAME IT SPELZ OSAMA1! LIEK A TERORIST OMG.

But I'm not cynical....

[Patroklos]

nm

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Aeson
Your's was probably a joke. Kid's...

""I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother". - Barack Obama

I feel sorry for Obama's grandmother.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
""I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother". - Barack Obama

I feel sorry for Obama's grandmother.