WTF is wrong with Rev. Wright?

[Arrian]

Oh come on. It's pretty clear that Obama was more radical than he's been willing to let on, and now he's crying because he has been called on it. He is far more liberal than Hillary, but wants to appear less. That is the basis of his appeal to educated democrats, who have gone along with his pretence because they don't mind his radicalism. People can smell that bull a mile off. At least Hillary has the honesty to run as a frigid shrew, and Bush had the honesty to run as a ******. Obama the centrist is John Kerry duck hunting.

And this matches with your oreo comment how? Which is he, then, a whitey in black clothing or a (quasi) radical who is trying to bull**** his way into power by claiming to be a centrist (which would seem to me to be an inverted oreo?). Be consistent, Agathon.

I don't mind Reverend Wright. If I were a Christian, I'd probably attend a radical church like his. Unlike Obama, however, I wouldn't pretend that I had spent 20 years attending church with earplugs on. Obama doing that pissed off Wright, and now Wright is getting his own back.

Fair enough.

In other countries character is a minor aspect of a campaign, except in extreme circumstances. For the most part people are interested in policy.

Which is nice - I'd prefer that policy was the most important thing. Character *does* matter, though, because not every single detail of policy can be vetted ahead of time. This is the basis of Hillary's (rather silly) 3am phone call line.

your political system is fubared

Possible, pig. It's conceivable, you miserable vomitus mass...

Good one, DD.

-Arrian

[Aeson]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
That's silly. Obama obviously knew the benefits of being part of that congregation when running for office as, first, a state senator and then a US Senator.

"Used" in that context means benefit and disregard the relationship otherwise. It doesn't simply mean benefit.

The Rev dropped Obama. Not the other way around. You go on national TV and stab your friend in the back, a friend that is taking heat for you no less... that's just how it is.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

All perspective I suppose. Aggie would say it was Obama that Judased (or at least Peter the thrice denier) the Rev and that the Rev was justified in his response.

Me I'm simply wondering what will be the Rev's next act in this passion play.

[DinoDoc]

That is the basis of his appeal to educated democrats, who have gone along with his pretence because they don't mind his radicalism.

I'd be willing to bet real money that they don't really know much about him or his record beyond the cheap and useless slogans of his campaign rallies as he's been pretty good at keeping that sort of info close to the vest. For instance, how many among the general populace is actually aware that Wright's church was based on Communist rhetoric disguised as Christian theology.

[Aeson]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
All perspective I suppose. Aggie would say it was Obama that Judased (or at least Peter the thrice denier) the Rev and that the Rev was justified in his response.

Perspectives can be flawed. Have the balls to give your own? Or are you going to hide behind Aggie's?

[Aeson]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
""I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother". - Barack Obama

I feel sorry for Obama's grandmother.

What, that Obama would tell her off if she got on national TV and called Obama a liar? Yah, that's horrible.

[DinoDoc]

Well she is just a "typical white person" so he maybe able to shrug that off.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by Aeson


Perspectives can be flawed. Have the balls to give your own? Or are you going to hide behind Aggie's?

I don't agree with anything Aggie says trust me. I could care less who screwed who. I'm just enjoying the show.

Like I said the real fun will be how off the deep end Wright will go after Obama's latest deep sixing.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Arrian

And this matches with your oreo comment how? Which is he, then, a whitey in black clothing or a (quasi) radical who is trying to bull**** his way into power by claiming to be a centrist (which would seem to me to be an inverted oreo?). Be consistent, Agathon.

He's created a somewhat fake white-friendly version of himself. The oreo comment is simply a reflection of his being a hollow man and hypocritical lack of authenticity. I would have called him that, but people here think Eliot was E.T's friend, and I had a small pack of oreos on my desk at the time I made the post. Call him an inverted oreo if you like.

Which is nice - I'd prefer that policy was the most important thing. Character *does* matter, though, because not every single detail of policy can be vetted ahead of time. This is the basis of Hillary's (rather silly) 3am phone call line.

It does matter, and perhaps it should matter more elsewhere (I'm looking at Tony Blair the smiling viper), but in the US it eats up everything else. I'm not joking when I say I have bugger all idea of their policies, even though I have read hundreds of articles about the campaign. When I list the stuff I know, it is "Hussein", "Bosnia", "Nuking Iran" and so on.

Let me tell you something interesting. In New Zealand it is an open secret that our Prime Minister is a lesbian in a fake marriage (for most people this is just a well-founded rumour, but by sheer luck I happen to know it is true). It's also fairly well known that she has had gay affairs with two other members of parliament (one of whom quit when she got dumped for the other). The press know this, yet you will not hear a murmur of it in respectable print. It's not because the press wouldn't like to bring her down (many of them would), but because the public would not stand for it and it just isn't done (It works both ways: the leader of the opposition was doinking someone other than his wife, and similar discretion followed).

There's plenty of character assassination in our politics, but it is out in the open and focuses on the public personas of politicians. Can you tell me that if either Obama or Hillary were homosexual, that this wouldn't be an insanely big deal? Kennedy screwed anything with a crack, and Nixon beat his wife, but Bill Clinton couldn't even get an abortive blow job without it becoming the story of the decade.

I know why I'm not that worried about it, since I tend to political nihilism. It boggles my mind how you all don't go hopping mad about it though.

Possible, pig. It's conceivable, you miserable vomitus mass...

Good one, DD.

I thought so too.

[DinoDoc]

As a counter example for you Aggie: Ted Kennedy actually killed someone and is still in office.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Aeson
"Used" in that context means benefit and disregard the relationship otherwise. It doesn't simply mean benefit.

The Rev dropped Obama. Not the other way around. You go on national TV and stab your friend in the back, a friend that is taking heat for you no less... that's just how it is.

In March, Obama relegated Wright to the background, whereas beforehand, Wright had been more central. And before that, Wright was supposed to give the invocation before Obama's announcement that he was running for President, but at the last second the invitation was rescinded. Wright was in charge of Obama's African American Religious Leadership Committee. Then the thing about his remarks came up and suddenly, it was announced Wright wasn't with that group anymore.

Make no mistake, Obama dropped the Reverend, he just did it in a more passive aggressive way. Relegating him to the background instead of actually disassociating from him (kind of like how Milton was treated in the film "Office Space").

[Arrian]

I know why I'm not that worried about it, since I tend to political nihilism. It boggles my mind how you all don't go hopping mad about it though.

Go crazy? Don't mind if I do![/Homer Simpson]

It does drive me batty from time to time.

-Arrian

[Agathon]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
As a counter example for you Aggie: Ted Kennedy actually killed someone and is still in office.

How is that a counterexample? At most he was guilty of negiligence. His excuse was about as feeble as Eddie Murphy's when it came to giving that tranny a ride, but Chappawhatsit was back in the days before it was a big deal. I doubt anyone would get away with it now.

I mean, a nice decent Republican congressman can't even solicit gay sex in a public toilet any more, nor can a democratic governor hire whores while being on an anti-vice crusade.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

(kind of like how Milton was treated in the film "Office Space").

Never **** with a man's stapler.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Arrian


Go crazy? Don't mind if I do![/Homer Simpson]

It does drive me batty from time to time.

-Arrian

I mean, how is it that CNN reporters can walk out in public without being jeered at or pelted with rotten fruit? (although Richard Quest was probably into that sort of thing)