Have I mentioned that I Hate Unions?

[Wezil]

Aeson -



The slander never ends.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Truman had a interesting way of dealing with uncooperative unions. He threatened to draft them all and then anyone who refused orders would face a military court martial.

Too bad you don't have a union job. You might be able to afford that house of yours.

[Asher]

The problem with unions is the pay caps out pretty quickly.

The pay that you'd get as a 40 year veteran ends up going to pay for some 20 year old kid to slack on the job. Equality FTW.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Unions!

Asher

My thoughts exactly -- I support unions too.

[Asher]

Even in this case?

For shame, MrFun.

[Aeson]

Originally posted by Wezil
Aeson -



The slander never ends.

My sincerest apologies!

I would like to amend my statement to read, "By that logic the bus drivers are very skilled at weaselingweziling money out of the Canadian government."

[Wezil]

I get no respect.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Too bad you don't have a union job. You might be able to afford that house of yours.

What good do you think giving someone with poor money mangement skills more money would do?

[Aeson]

Wezils should form a union and strike!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_on_Strike

[snoopy369]

Driving a bus definitely takes some physical skill. It doesn't take 'brainpower' but reflexes and experience. You clearly don't value that as much as some people ... To some extent (a large extent, even) they are paid due to the risk, not to themselves so much, but in order to get better people. If you paid them $10 an hour, you'd get $10 an hour quality - not good.

It is somewhat annoying, though, to see non-university skills belittled. I bet you'd say a waiter or a retail employee has no skills - but that is dead wrong. Both require quite specific skill sets, and very smart people often fail brutally at both jobs due to not having those skills. The fact that those jobs - particularly retail - are paid very poorly mean you don't get as many people skilled in them (as there are other jobs where their skills are more highly remunerated). It doesn't mean the job itself doesn't have skills and can't be done very well. Waiters fortunately do have higher compensation paths (top restaurants), but even there the highest compensation is far less than most University jobs.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
What good do you think giving someone with poor money mangement skills more money would do?

Economic growth

[Aeson]

Originally posted by Asher
The problem with unions is the pay caps out pretty quickly.

The pay that you'd get as a 40 year veteran ends up going to pay for some 20 year old kid to slack on the job. Equality FTW.

That's not really a problem given that in these trades, age doesn't necessarily correlate to how well a job is done.

The problem with unions is a lack of correlation between job performance and pay scale. (That includes the pay scale of $0 for those who should be getting kicked out.)

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Aeson
The problem with unions is a lack of correlation between job performance and pay scale. (That includes the pay scale of $0 for those who should be getting kicked out.)

That's the problem with market economy as a whole. The price is determined by supply and demand, not by performance.

[Asher]

Originally posted by snoopy369
It is somewhat annoying, though, to see non-university skills belittled.

I quite explicitly included community colleges and trade skills requiring apprenticeships as well.

I bet you'd say a waiter or a retail employee has no skills - but that is dead wrong. Both require quite specific skill sets, and very smart people often fail brutally at both jobs due to not having those skills. The fact that those jobs - particularly retail - are paid very poorly mean you don't get as many people skilled in them (as there are other jobs where their skills are more highly remunerated). It doesn't mean the job itself doesn't have skills and can't be done very well. Waiters fortunately do have higher compensation paths (top restaurants), but even there the highest compensation is far less than most University jobs.

I think that calling retail jobs and waiting jobs "skill" jobs does a disservice to anyone who has a real skill job.

You guys seem to take "skill" as a word meaning "something that requires at least 60 IQ to do". I have the bar a bit higher.

I've worked retail when I was in high school, I know there's no skill involved there. I know retail workers should not be unionized as well. (We were, and it pissed me off)

I haven't worked as a waiter either, but writing down orders and bringing out foot doesn't count as "skill" in my book.

Raise your standards, boys.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Spiffor

That's the problem with market economy as a whole. The price is determined by supply and demand, not by performance.

Higher performing workers are in higher demand. That's why they get paid more in a market economy.

Not sure why this is a problem...