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Originally posted by Zkribbler
...maybe something to do with "defending" in Serbia and Afghanistan.
...maybe something to do with "defending" in Serbia and Afghanistan.
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How is NATO doing anything of substance in Afghanistan?I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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How is USA doing anything of substance in Iraq?
There's 10x more substance in Afghanistan than Iraq."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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That's not really an answer to the question I asked. However if what you want to imply is true, why's Canada complaining then if as you say NATO is carrying its weight ?I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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What is Canada complaining about exactly?Originally posted by DinoDoc
That's not really an answer to the question I asked. However if what you want to imply is true, why's Canada complaining then if as you say NATO is carrying its weight ?"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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Other countries not chipping in as much as Canada would like.Originally posted by Asher
What is Canada complaining about exactly?Comment
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So what is DinoDoc talking about? I didn't mention anything about carrying weight but his southern reading skills seem to have told him that I did.
My point was the substance of the missions..."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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Or at all.
/me looks suspiciously at the GermansI make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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Please squirm and try to tell me why this is related to the substance of the missions.Originally posted by DinoDoc
Or at all.
* DinoDoc looks suspiciously at the Germans
The Germans never could fight."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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I asked what they were doing of substance. You strangely still haven't answered that.Originally posted by Asher
So what is DinoDoc talking about?I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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You don't think driving the Taliban out of Afghanistan is of substance?Originally posted by DinoDoc
I asked what they were doing of substance. You strangely still haven't answered that.
It was answered but you can't handle my answer.
Sharia law was interpreted to ban a wide variety of activities hitherto lawful in Afghanistan: employment and education for women, movies, television, videos, music, dancing, hanging pictures in homes, clapping during sports events. One Taliban list of prohibitions included:
pork, pig, pig oil, anything made from human hair, satellite dishes, cinematography, and equipment that produces the joy of music, pool tables, chess, masks, alcohol, tapes, computer, VCRs, television, anything that propagates sex and is full of music, wine, lobster, nail polish, firecrackers, statues, sewing catalogs, pictures, Christmas cards."[43]
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Men were required to have a beard extending farther than a fist clamped at the base of the chin. On the other hand, they had to wear their head hair short. Men were also required to wear a head covering.[44]
Possession was forbidden of depictions of living things, including photographs of them, stuffed animals, and dolls.[44]
Rules which according to some Muslims had no validity in the Qur'an or sharia included a ban on clapping during sports events, kite flying, beard trimming, and sports for women.
These rules were issued by the Ministry for the Promotion of Virtue and Suppression of Vice (PVSV) and enforced by its "religious police", a concept thought to be borrowed from the Wahhabis. In newly conquered towns hundreds of religious police beat offenders — typically men who shaved and women who were not wearing their burqa properly — with long sticks.[45]
Theft was punished by the amputation of a hand, rape and murder by public execution. Married adulterers were stoned to death. In Kabul, punishments were carried out in front of crowds in the city's former soccer stadium.
The worst attack on civilians came in summer of 1998 when the Taliban swept north from Herat to the predominantly Hazara and Uzbek city of Mazar-i-Sharif, the largest city in the north. Entering at 10 am on 8 August 1998, for the next two days the Taliban drove their pickup trucks "up and down the narrow streets of Mazar-i-Sharif shooting to the left and right and killing everything that moved — shop owners, cart pullers, women and children shoppers and even goats and donkeys."[53] More than 8000 noncombatants were reported killed in Mazar-i-Sharif and later in Bamiyan.[54] Contrary to the injunctions of Islam, which demands immediate burial, the Taliban forbade anyone to bury the corpses for the first six days while they rotted in the summer heat and were eaten by dogs.[55] In addition to this indiscriminate slaughter, the Taliban sought out and massacred members of the Hazara, a mostly Shia ethnic group, while in control of Mazar.
While the slaughter can be attributed to several factors — ethnic difference, suspicions of Hazaras loyalty to their co-religionists in Iran, fury at the loss of life suffered in an earlier unsuccessful Taliban takeover of Mazar — takfir by the puritanical Sunni Taliban toward the Shia Hazaras was instrumental. It was expressed by Mullah Niazi, the commander of the attack and governor of Mazar after the attack, in his declaration from Mazar's central mosque:
"Last year you rebelled against us and killed us. From all your homes you shot at us. Now we are here to deal with you. The Hazaras are not Muslims and now have to kill Hazaras. You either accept to be Muslims or leave Afghanistan. Wherever you go we will catch you. If you go up we will pull you down by your feet; if you hide below, we will pull you up by your hair.";[29]
Hazara also suffered from a siege by the Taliban of their Hazarajat homeland in central Afghanistan and the refusal of the Taliban to allow the UN to supply food to Hazara to the provinces of Bamiyan, Ghor, Wardak and Ghazni.[56] A month after the Mazar slaughter, Taliban broke through Hazar lines and took over Hazarajat. The killing of civilians was much less common there than in Mazar, but occurred nevertheless.[57]
During the years that followed, rapes and massacres of Hazara by Taliban forces were documented by groups such as Human Rights Watch.[58]
In 1996, Osama bin Laden moved to Afghanistan from Sudan. He came without any invitation from the Taliban, and sometimes irritated Mullah Omar with his declaration of war and fatwa to murder citizens of third-party countries, and follow-up interviews,[81] but relations between the two groups became closer over time, and eventually bonded to the point where Mullah Omar rebuffed its patron Saudi Arabia, insulting Saudi minister Prince Turki and refusing to turn over bin Laden to the Saudis as Omar had reportedly promised to earlier.[82]
Bin Laden was able to forge an alliance between the Taliban and his Al-Qaeda organization. It is understood that al-Qaeda-trained fighters known as the 055 Brigade were integrated with the Taliban army between 1997 and 2001. Several hundred Arab Afghan fighters sent by bin Laden assisted the Taliban in the slaughter at Mazar-e-Sharif.[83] Taliban-al-Qaeda connections, were also strengthened by the reported marriage of one of bin Laden's sons to Omar's daughter. During Osama bin Laden's stay in Afghanistan, he may have helped finance the Taliban.[84] [85] Perhaps the biggest favor al-Qaeda did for the Taliban was the assassination by suicide bombing[51] of the Taliban's most effective military opponent mujahideen commander and Northern Alliance leader Ahmad Shah Massoud shortly before September 9, 2001. This came at a time when Taliban human rights violations and extremism seemed likely to created international support for Massoud's group as the legitimate representatives of Afghanistan.[51] The killing, reportedly handled by Ayman Zawahiri and the Egyptian Islamic Jihad wing of al-Qaeda, left the Northern Alliance leaderless, and removed "the last obstacle to the Taliban’s total control of the country ..."[86]
After the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings in Africa, Osama bin Laden and several al Qaeda members were indicted in U.S. criminal court.[87] The Taliban protected Osama bin Laden from extradition requests by the U.S., variously claiming that bin Laden had "gone missing" in Afghanistan,[88] or that Washington "cannot provide any evidence or any proof" that bin Laden is involved in terrorist activities and that "without any evidence, bin Laden is a man without sin... he is a free man."[89][90] Evidence against bin Laden included courtroom testimony and satellite phone records.[91][92] Bin Laden in turn, praised the Taliban as the "only Islamic government" in existence, and lauded Mullah Omar for his destruction of idols like the Buddhas of Bamiyan.[93]
The more you know.
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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Spreading democracy and freedom, duh.Originally posted by DinoDoc
I asked what they were doing of substance. You strangely still haven't answered that.Comment
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Unlike Iraq, the Taliban in Afghanistan directly assisted terrorists...Originally posted by Verto
Spreading democracy and freedom, duh."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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What is NATO contributing to that?Originally posted by Asher
You don't think driving the Taliban out of Afghanistan is of substance?
I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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Considering that troops fight the Taliban nearly daily...your troll is thwarted.Originally posted by DinoDoc
What is NATO contributing to that?
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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Hey, I'm on your side, even if my comments are snarky.Originally posted by Asher
Unlike Iraq, the Taliban in Afghanistan directly assisted terrorists...
NATO
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