A Right to die?

[LordShiva]

If they won't let her die, they definitely won't let her move to Belgium

[Wezil]

What's the difference?

[Harovan]

She was found dead in her apartment yesterday (Wednesday) evening. Whether she died from her illness, or some nameless doctor brought up more humanity and charity than the whole catholic church, isn't yet known.

Can't provide an English link, I read it in a German newspaper.

http://www.focus.de/gesundheit/news/gesichtstumor_aid_266227.html

[germanos]

Originally posted by Heraclitus
BTW I am morally repulsed by gay people and think we should reinstate the DP for them.

Also Jews look hideus how can they live with those nosese. I say we grant them a quick and painless death, maybe lethal gass?

You get all worked up on my post and then you write that?

Originally posted by Heraclitus
I have half a mind

[Jonny]

Originally posted by Sir Ralph
Can't provide an English link, I read it in a German newspaper.

http://www.focus.de/gesundheit/news/...id_266227.html

English link:

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hFDF5rXuOox-zhodYI2u9ElbWDgA

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Sir Ralph
Whether she died from her illness, or some nameless doctor brought up more humanity and charity than the whole catholic church, isn't yet known.

Catholic Church? What do they have to do with this? I thought this story was in anti-religious France.

[Wiglaf]

What a non issue. As Dinodoc said, there is no need to allow patient assisted suicide because people can easily shoot themselves or cut their wrists or jump off a building or drink heavily and climb into the lion's cage at the zoo just prior to feeding time smothered in barbeque sauce.

Legalizing active euthanization (ie when the patient isn't incapacitated) distracts doctors and sends the wrong message to children that we will clean up your mess. This campaign is simply a tool for liberals to attack religious interests and political enemies.

[Harovan]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Catholic Church? What do they have to do with this? I thought this story was in anti-religious France.

The ethics behind these laws comes from catholicism. It's about the same as with abortion. Other secular states (including Germany) have similar religiously founded laws. Just look at discussions about abortion, stem cell research, gene engineering, or euthanasia and look who is discussing. You'll find church representatives all over.

European countries only call themselves secular, many are pretty christian fundamentalist. In Germany a court ruled recently, that a catholic nun is allowed to teach in school in her penguin habit (my word for it, how disrespectful...), while a muslim teacher isn't allowed to teach in headscarf. By the way, if you think your country is any less fundamentalist, you're mistaken.

Btw, read page 1 of this thread and see who was arguing first in favor of the law.

[Wiglaf]

Originally posted by LordShiva
If they won't let her die, they definitely won't let her move to Belgium

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Sir Ralph
By the way, if you think your country is any less fundamentalist, you're mistaken.

We don't have state supported churches, so I'm afraid we'd win that fight.

Btw, read page 1 of this thread and see who was arguing first in favor of the law.

I wasn't aware that Ben is actually Sarkozy. Why wouldn't he tell us?

[Ben Kenobi]

The ethics behind these laws comes from catholicism.

So does Kantian deontology, among others.

It's about the same as with abortion. Other secular states (including Germany) have similar religiously founded laws.

Yes, it's true that the Catholic church opposes euthanasia, but they are far from the only ones who do, especially in France and Germany. There are plenty of secular sources for the same ethics.

Just look at discussions about abortion, stem cell research, gene engineering, or euthanasia and look who is discussing. You'll find church representatives all over.

True, but on this particular issue, are church representatives the only folks here? There are many people who oppose euthanasia who are secular humanists, who see it as contrary to the well-being of an individual.

Btw, read page 1 of this thread and see who was arguing first in favor of the law.

Dude, if you have a problem with me, I appreciate you actually using my name.

First off, I've always been against euthanasia.

Secondly, where have I explicitly referred to the Catholic church in any of the arguments I've made?

Thirdly, I'm not a "church representative". At best I'm a layperson.

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by Sir Ralph


The ethics behind these laws comes from catholicism.

Christianity in general. Protestants are just as nutty and some denominations make the RCC seem very progressive.

[Harovan]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
We don't have state supported churches, so I'm afraid we'd win that fight.

We aren't "One nation under God", our official motto is not "In God We Trust" and our president isn't told by God to invade other countries. So let's call it a tie.

I wasn't aware that Ben is actually Sarkozy. Why wouldn't he tell us?

I wasn't implying that.

[Harovan]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
So does Kantian deontology, among others.

Fair enough, I don't say all coming from religion is bad. It isn't.

Yes, it's true that the Catholic church opposes euthanasia, but they are far from the only ones who do, especially in France and Germany. There are plenty of secular sources for the same ethics.

True, but on this particular issue, are church representatives the only folks here? There are many people who oppose euthanasia who are secular humanists, who see it as contrary to the well-being of an individual.

They may not be the only ones, but for sure those with the most influence.

Dude, if you have a problem with me, I appreciate you actually using my name.

If I had a problem with you, I wouldn't mention you at all (as I do with quite some Apolytonites), and even less add a winking smiley at the end of my sentence. I don't have any quarrel with you and if I offended you in any way, I apologize.

First off, I've always been against euthanasia.

Secondly, where have I explicitly referred to the Catholic church in any of the arguments I've made?

Thirdly, I'm not a "church representative". At best I'm a layperson.

Well, let's say when I hear the words "Church" and "Apolyton", you come to mind first, and perhaps CyberShy second. Not everyone associated with some religion or science here is necessarily an expert, but many are very educated laymen.

[germanos]

Originally posted by Colon™
Can't she move to Belgium?

For those not in the know:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7308618.stm

Hugo Claus was one of the greatest writers in Dutch, ever.

RIP

Guy Verhofstad