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    A French woman with a severely disfiguring and incurable facial tumour has been refused the right to die.

    Chantal Sebire, a 52-year-old former schoolteacher and mother of three, had asked a court in Dijon, eastern France, to allow doctors to help her die.

    But while the French have liberalised legislation governing euthanasia, the court ruled the law still did not allow doctors to actively end a life.

    The case of Ms Sebire has however sparked intense debate and sympathy.

    She suffers from an extremely rare form of cancer in the nasal cavity known as an esthesioneuroblastoma. Only 200 cases of the disease have been recorded worldwide in the past two decades.

    Appealing on French television last month for the right to die, Ms Sebire said she could no longer see properly, taste or smell. She described how children ran away from her in the street.

    "One would not allow an animal to go through what I have endured," she said.

    'Second opinion'

    But a magistrate in Dijon said such a request could simply not be granted.


    I now know how to get my hands on what I need, and if I don't get it in France, I will get it elsewhere
    Chantal Sebire

    "Even if the physical degeneration of Madame Sebire merits compassion, this request can only be rejected under French law," he said.

    Legislation adopted in 2005 allows families to request that life-support equipment for terminally ill patients but does not allow a doctor to take action to end a patient's life.

    French President Nicholas Sarkozy, whom Ms Sebire has urged to intervene in her case, said he had asked his chief health adviser to make contact and help with providing further opinions on her condition.

    Ms Sebire, who has said she will not appeal Monday's decision, has however indicated she could may go to a country such as Switzerland - where assisted suicide is legal.

    "I now know how to get my hands on what I need, and if I don't get it in France, I will get it elsewhere," she has said.

    Sarah Wootton, of Dignity in Dying, which campaigns in the UK for assisted dying for the terminally ill, said: "It is immensely sad that because France has no assisted dying law, Chantal Sebire will continue to suffer.

    "It is simply wrong that terminally ill people not just in France, but also in the UK, who are suffering unbearably are not being given the choice to die with dignity."
    The woman looks pretty bad on the pic they have there
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    Do you have something like the article mentions for Switzerland, and if not, should there be such a right with doctors helping patients actively to die, discuss.
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    • #3
      Where does it stop?

      The solution isn't to kill people but to find appropriate treatment methods.

      How would medicine ever improve otherwise?
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      • #4
        I'm slightly against euthanasia because it reduces the percived need to find cures for conditions.
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        The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
          Where does it stop?

          The solution isn't to kill people but to find appropriate treatment methods.

          How would medicine ever improve otherwise?
          More or less what I think.
          Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
          The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
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          • #6
            This is what happens when you live in a nanny state. People forget how to do things for themselves. Why doesn't she just take some initiative and do it herself rather wanting to make the doctor kill her. Given the pic, she's clearly not confined to a bed as a result of her condition so she's clearly able to slit her own wrists or shoot herself.

            Plus since it doesn't seem to be life threatening, she's likely just depressed. Not a really good reason to beg the government to kill you.
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            • #7
              So what, you guys think everyone is going to start killing themselves?
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Kidicious
                So what, you guys think everyone is going to start killing themselves?
                It's the laziness I have a problem with.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
                  Where does it stop?

                  The solution isn't to kill people but to find appropriate treatment methods.

                  How would medicine ever improve otherwise?
                  You're right that it would be best to find a treatment to the disease, but how would you feel if it was you?
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
                    The solution isn't to kill people but to find appropriate treatment methods.
                    Oh GEE. Thanks Ben!

                    If only someone had told the doctors to look for a way to treat this!
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Kidicious
                      So what, you guys think everyone is going to start killing themselves?
                      No, but I do think that fewer diseases that are not profitable to cure will be cured.


                      And people killing themselves isn't bad in the short term, it reduces the expenses of the state. It also reduces shor therm net suffering. But long term net suffering will slowly rise.

                      So it is from a heursitic view not humane.
                      Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
                      The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
                      The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by DinoDoc
                        This is what happens when you live in a nanny state. People forget how to do things for themselves. Why doesn't she just take some initiative and do it herself rather wanting to make the doctor kill her. Given the pic, she's clearly not confined to a bed as a result of her condition so she's clearly able to slit her own wrists or shoot herself.
                        She probably wants to have some pills to get it pain-free which doesn't strike me as a particular weird idea from her perspective. And the problem in general isn't only about her.

                        That said, this is one of the issues where I am just fine with the fact that I don't have to decide on it
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                        • #13
                          The only reservation I have about voluntary euthanasia is if someone has kids/dependents.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Adagio


                            You're right that it would be best to find a treatment to the disease, but how would you feel if it was you?
                            Horrible, but you also feel horrible if the murderer of your daughter walks free and you can not take the law into your own hand.
                            Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
                            The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
                            The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by DinoDoc
                              It's the laziness I have a problem with.
                              DD would prefer suicides to be as messy and with as much collateral damage as possible.

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