Intolerant Jewish fundamentalists suck.

[chequita guevara]

Which one's Jewish and which one's Muslim?

[Kidlicious]

The one on the right definitely looks more Jewish.

[Az]

dunno. why?

[chequita guevara]

[joke]I'd disagree. The one of the left is Jewish. She could afford a nose job and everyone knows Jews have all the money and know the best doctors.[/joke]

[CrONoS]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov

The money I earn, I earn for defending my country from the clutches of racist, fundamentalist brutes, who despise my religion, my ethnicity, my nation and abuse laws of war while trying to kill innocent civilians.

Most importantly, I have an ideology which I defend and do something about.
You drink beer and complain about perceived injustice on an internet forum.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
The money I earn, I earn for defending my country from the clutches of racist, fundamentalist brutes, who despise my religion, my ethnicity, my nation and abuse laws of war while trying to kill innocent civilians.

No, you earn your money occupying a foreign land, settling another people's country, and butchering tens of thousands of innocent human lives. You kill indiscriminately and then complain to the world when they strike back. Worse, you're proud of it. You consistently slander your enemies, find the few examples to show the worst of humanity and attack Jews who don't support your cause as self-hating Jews. You are a racist, colonist, and an authoritarian.

Most importantly, I have an ideology which I defend and do something about.

Killing children is so noble.

You drink beer and complain about perceived injustice on an internet forum.

And you don't? And the fact that I do doesn't preclude me from doing anything anywhere else.

[CrONoS]

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no utility at all

[Az]

You kill indiscriminately

if we did, the numbers would be vastly different....

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by Zoid
This could easily be said by a palestinian as well, except that he doesn't have a country to call his own that he can defend.

well that's one reason why it couldn't be said by a palestinian.

the other one is, that Israelis do not hate the palestinian ethnicity, religion and people, and the mainstream of Israeli society tries to make peace with the arab neighbours as well as the arab minority in israel.

Let's compare popular TV shows, ok?

Palestinian:






Israeli

an arabic-hebrew production of sesame street.

[Zoid]

But you have to remember that the you live in relative peace, prosperity and democracy. It's easy to be forgiving when you're not under siege and living in abject poverty with rabid islamists at the helm. That breeds hatred, even among those palestinians who aren't rabid islamists (which in reality is the absolute majority). Really, the palestinians are ****ed. Caught between Israels tanks and Hamas loony islamist rethoric.

[Wezil]

Che - Why do you only care about human rights abuses when democracies commit them? Cuba, China, or any other assorted commie country seems to get a pass from you. Why?

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara No, you earn your money occupying a foreign land, settling another people's country, and butchering tens of thousands of innocent human lives. You kill indiscriminately and then complain to the world when they strike back. Worse, you're proud of it. You consistently slander your enemies, find the few examples to show the worst of humanity and attack Jews who don't support your cause as self-hating Jews. You are a racist, colonist, and an authoritarian.

:yawn:

You have never been able to hold ground in any actual argument we had on any of the accusations you make against me. You have proven time and again your ignorance of current and historical events, and all you do is quote a narrative repeated to you in Worker's Daily.

Unlike you, I know for a fact who we kill, why and how we do it.
Unlike you, I often know for a fact, whether an Israeli incursion had a justified reason or not, whether all precautions were used or not, whether the people we killed were really combatants or civilians.

You are a lazy idealist, who spends his life hiding from experiences that might teach him something new or challenge his romanticised views.

If you feel this strongly, why don't you travel to the territories? Why don't you go and see what Hamas leaders really think? Why don't you go and see the realities of Hamas rule over Gaza? Why don't you go and see the life of children in Sderot? Why don't you go see for yourself how tall is the fence?

Killing children is so noble.

You seem to think that Hamas and Fateh are noble, so cheers to you.

You drink beer and complain about perceived injustice on an internet forum.

And you don't? And the fact that I do doesn't preclude me from doing anything anywhere else.

Yes, but I do that in between fighting for what I believe in - which I do every day.

I am lead to believe you are suggesting that you too are doing something each day to fulfill the stuff you believe in, beyond reading socialist newspapers, or voting off members in meaningless socialists conventions.

I mean, surely you spent some time defending children in Gaza, or fighting imperialism in Africa, or even fighting workers' abuse in Latin America?

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by Zoid
But you have to remember that the you live in relative peace, prosperity and democracy. It's easy to be forgiving when you're not under siege and living in abject poverty with rabid islamists at the helm. That breeds hatred, even among those palestinians who aren't rabid islamists (which in reality is the absolute majority). Really, the palestinians are ****ed. Caught between Israels tanks and Hamas loony islamist rethoric.

Excuse me.
This sort of children's shows started long before Israel placed the palestinian territories under siege.

I chose quite recent examples, but I could have easily shown something earlier (though harder to dig up on youtube).

The correct order of things is:

1) indoctrination for violence
2) pretext /
3) violence
4) more indoctrination
5) more violence
6) more indoctrination
7) more violence

I'm not saying that the Palestinians have no reason to be angry about. They do. Lots of stuff is going bad for them. Much of it is evidently due to Israel's existence.

But most of the daily grievances they face (the fence, the seige, the blockade, the check points, the targeted killings) have always been directly an Israeli response, to an ever growing wave of terrorism, that was directed, using political pretext, first by Arafat, and later by Hamas (when they became independent enough).

Had they not increased terrorist violence, they would have gotten a country within 67 borders and world wide recognition 7 years ago. Maybe not what they wanted, and maybe not even what they objectively deserve. But certainly better than what they have, and it is entirely their own doing.

[Cyclotron]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
Excuse me.
This sort of children's shows started long before Israel placed the palestinian territories under siege.

Really? They predate 1967? Those are some long-running programs!

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Zoid
But you have to remember that the you live in relative peace, prosperity and democracy. It's easy to be forgiving when you're not under siege

Israel isn't?