Intolerant Jewish fundamentalists suck.

[Zoid]

Originally posted by Berzerker


I see you're not anti-semantic

Siro is a well known hater of semantics, just look at his posts...

You mean other invaders gave y'all permission to invade? Dont be ridiculous, the UN cant give you my land and then tell me it wasn't stolen. Trying to argue the creation of Israel didn't involve stealing other people's lands is...well... I'd love to see the nation that wasn't stolen from someone...

Most European countries weren't stolen, but is an amalgamation of earlier kingdoms and/or principalities (like Germany). The european imperialists stole quite a few countries though, most were returned (like the african countries) others were not (like Australia and NZ).

[Az]

You mean other invaders gave y'all permission to invade? Dont be ridiculous, the UN cant give you my land and then tell me it wasn't stolen. Trying to argue the creation of Israel didn't involve stealing other people's lands is...well... I'd love to see the nation that wasn't stolen from someone...

So what's the argument anyway?

and how we did get from loonie joos to an I/P debate?

[Zoid]

It was my fault...

[Heraclitus]

As long as deep in the heart
The jewish souls steel the earth

And forward to the east to Zion
from the highest looks

Our hope would be not to lost
The hope of 2000 tears

To be a free nation
In our own homeland

The land of Zion
Land Jerusalem

My country, my country,
My land, my ancestors

My country, my country,
My nation, in the land of struggle
[Yirra'el lyrics on http://www.metrolyrics.com]


With determination fire
And my vulcanic revenge.
I have climbed the mountains
Crossed from the earth
And foughed the wars.

I've conquered the impossible
With longing in my blood
And the roar of guns

For my country, my land,
My home, my ancestors

To be a free nation
In our own homeland

The land of Zion
Land Jerusalem

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Zevico
Forwards to the glorious future, comrade che. How on earth do you see this happening?

Demographics. The Arab population of Israel is growing much, much faster than the Jewish population. It's only a matter of decades before they reach a voting majority, and then they'll just annex the rest of Palestine and lock that majority in permanently. It behooves the Israeli Jews to make nice with the Palestinians now, or their grand children can look forward to a very unpleasant future. . . . assuming Israel doesn't do something evil, like expel the Arabs or simply disenfranchise them, neither of which I put beyond them. I suppose they could also create more Bantustands and cut the Arab parts out of Israel.

[DinoDoc]

Sorry che. Your sensebilities aside all you've done is convince me that it actually is a correct assessment of your position. Anything done by a side you support is acceptable and just no matter what and that is the sentiment expressed in what you call an "inaccurate" quote.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Interview conducted by Middle East Broadcasting Company with Rachel Corrie on March 14th, 2003, two days before she was murdered by the Israeli Defense Forces.

That's all bull****. If a state really wanted to exterminate a people then there are a plethora of ways to do so not lest of which is poison gas, organized deportations, and out right death camps. The baseless whining that the evil Jews want to kill all Arabs is just that, baseless.

[Zevico]

Demographics. The Arab population of Israel is growing much, much faster than the Jewish population. It's only a matter of decades before they reach a voting majority, and then they'll just annex the rest of Palestine and lock that majority in permanently. It behooves the Israeli Jews to make nice with the Palestinians now, or their grand children can look forward to a very unpleasant future. . . . assuming Israel doesn't do something evil, like expel the Arabs or simply disenfranchise them, neither of which I put beyond them. I suppose they could also create more Bantustands and cut the Arab parts out of Israel.

That's my point. If it ever reaches that, either the jews will leave, the arabs (or some of them) won't be recognised as citizens or there'll be a lot of killing and civil war as the Israelis and Palestinians have it out. It won't be peaceful regardless. People will either leave or die. And unless those Palestinians interested in a democratic society do something about the state of their society now, what they'll get in the end of it will be just another dictatorship, whether fundamentalist religious or secular. Even those democrats who oppose Israel's existence, as you do, ought to realise this. The problems in Palestinian society will only become greater if the Palestinians ignore them and concentrate on a what would effectively be a pointless war.

[Az]

The Arab population of Israel is growing much, much faster than the Jewish population.

Actually, if demographic trends continue, the arab population will never outgrow the jewish one. (because although current growth rates are this, jewish fertility is on the rise ( these fine folks from the OP, and others ), while muslim fertility is on the decline.

But, hey, whatever...

[CrONoS]

hey, you're assuming that the Arabs Israelis will want to annex the Palestinians and their nihilistic terrorist organization into Israel!
lol

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Az

The Arab population of Israel is growing much, much faster than the Jewish population.

Actually, if demographic trends continue, the arab population will never outgrow the jewish one. (because although current growth rates are this, jewish fertility is on the rise ( these fine folks from the OP, and others ), while muslim fertility is on the decline.

Do the Jewish fundies make up enough of Israeli population to make that much of a difference or are they having 20 children and swamping the rest of the Jews as well? That doesn't bode well at all.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
1) there was no palestinian country, or even a solid political unit pretaining to palestine, when the Jewish yishuv came to be. so we did not invade their country.

We stole countries with the cunning use of flags. Just sail around the world and stick a flag in. "I claim India for Britain!" And they're going, "You can't claim us, we live here! There's five hundred million of us!" - "Do you have a flag?" - "We don't need a bloody flag, this is our country, you bastard!" - "No flag, no country! You can't have one! That's the rules, that... I've just made up."
- Eddie Izzard

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Oerdin


That's all bull****. If a state really wanted to exterminate a people then there are a plethora of ways to do so not lest of which is poison gas, organized deportations, and out right death camps. The baseless whining that the evil Jews want to kill all Arabs is just that, baseless.

It's much easier to fool people who want to be fooled if you do it the way the Isrealis are doing it. Of course, if you don't want to be fooled it's nothing more than genocide.

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by Kidicious
We stole countries with the cunning use of flags. Just sail around the world and stick a flag in. "I claim India for Britain!" And they're going, "You can't claim us, we live here! There's five hundred million of us!" - "Do you have a flag?" - "We don't need a bloody flag, this is our country, you bastard!" - "No flag, no country! You can't have one! That's the rules, that... I've just made up."
- Eddie Izzard

Do you base your entire political compass on stand up comedians, or just the important parts?

But then again, how marxist are you?

The concept of invading a foreign country, like chegitz mentioned, pre-supposes the existance of a foreign country.

A bunch of people scattered around are certainly a population to be taken in mind, but it is not a country.

We're not talking the US invading the indians.
We're talking about late 19th century, when the concept of coherent political units, be it countries, or provinces, was widespread, including in the Ottoman empire.

You certainly had provinces, and coherent political units throughout the empire, with local elites and so on. The difference is that no such political center or local elite existed in "palestine". The north was considered a little important part of the Beirut and Damascus wilayat, and the south was considered nomadic lands.

So I would accept if you say Jews settled in a land with existing population centers. However, they did that within perfect limit of law of the local ruler - under Ottoman control as well as under British mandate (prior to WWII).

Therefore the description of a jewish invasion of a country is grossly incorrect.

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by Kidicious
It's much easier to fool people who want to be fooled if you do it the way the Isrealis are doing it. Of course, if you don't want to be fooled it's nothing more than genocide.

I like communist newspeak.
If you don't like a word, you redefine it.

Genocide (commie way) - a conflict of a smaller population with a larger evil state, in which combatants and at times non-combatants sometimes get killed due to same conflict, quickly bringing about an absolute increase in population.

Soon we shall redefine "Ethnic Cleansing" - the evil process by which Israel slowly withdraws from palestinian territories, leaving them to self govern... which they can't... so it's still Israel's fault. Look they're all dead.