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2. Your nation spends the majority of its budget on national defense.
In any case, the US doesn't qualify for this ill thought out bullet anyway.
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Perhaps its just me, but in a police state shouldn't the majoirty of the budget be spent on the police?
In any case, the US doesn't qualify for this ill thought out bullet anyway."The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously. -
That may be logical, but it certainly doesn't prove anything. Bush is trying to use the military for police in certain situations. If someone can help me out here, hasn't Bush overturned Posse Comitatus act or is trying to overturn it.Originally posted by Patroklos
Perhaps its just me, but in a police state shouldn't the majoirty of the budget be spent on the police?
In any case, the US doesn't qualify for this ill thought out bullet anyway."In Italy for 30 years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed. But they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love. They had 500 years of democracy and peace. And what did that produce? The cuckoo clock."
—Orson Welles as Harry LimeComment
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Such as?Originally posted by MosesPresley
Bush is trying to use the military for police in certain situations.
(Psst: natural disasters don't count.)Comment
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He is just making things up now.Comment
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Well there is no insurrection or invasion, so what was his reasoning again?Originally posted by Wiglaf
It was a more serious situation, that's why he was a lot more brazen about it and suspended habeas corpus for American citizens, not just non-citizen terrorists from Afghanistan.
Scalia did argue that habeas corpus can only be suspended in instances, as constitution says, of insurrection or invasion. However most justices decided in Hamdi that some habeas corpus rights can be suspended in case of illegal combatants.
I love "illegal enemy combatant". How Orwellian. The semantics of this argument is simply so that all rights, The Geneva Convention, can be suspended for prisoner of war and turning them into political prisoners, but we can't call them that, so the awkward phrase "illegal enemy combatant" was coined so that the gumint can do whatever they want to them. In the name of freedom and security of course."In Italy for 30 years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed. But they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love. They had 500 years of democracy and peace. And what did that produce? The cuckoo clock."
—Orson Welles as Harry LimeComment
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Sure it does, you (arbitrarily and for no reason) said that somehow the magical 50% budget threshold means OH MY GOD WE ARE A POLICE STATE!!!That may be logical, but it certainly doesn't prove anything.
So, since we don't meet that criteria (by a long shot), you must agree the US is nowhere near one.
1.) Back it up, I haven't been arresting anyone lately.Bush is trying to use the military for police in certain situations. If someone can help me out here, hasn't Bush overturned Posse Comitatus act or is trying to overturn it.
2.) Using the military as either support for (border surveilance/drug enforement) or as actual law enforcement (national disasters) is neither unique to today or extrodinary in any way.
Actually it is being used because otherwise the proper course of action, as per the GC, would be to execute them for being a non state sponsored and/or purposely unidentified (espionage rules take effect) combatant.I love "illegal enemy combatant". How Orwellian. The semantics of this argument is simply so that all rights, The Geneva Convention, can be suspended for prisoner of war and turning them into political prisoners, but we can't call them that, so the awkward phrase "illegal enemy combatant" was coined so that the gumint can do whatever they want to them. In the name of freedom and security of course."The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.Comment
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That's exactly what I was talking about. After Katrina he wanted general domestic militarization, but he was rebuked "Military personnel must be trained to operate under circumstances where the protection of constitutional freedoms cannot receive the consideration needed in order to assure their preservation. The Posse Comitatus statute is intended to meet that danger."Originally posted by Darius871
Such as?
(Psst: natural disasters don't count.)"In Italy for 30 years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed. But they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love. They had 500 years of democracy and peace. And what did that produce? The cuckoo clock."
—Orson Welles as Harry LimeComment
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Well the GC does have a specific definition of who qualifies for POW status and if you don't qualify you aren't covered by the GC. I fail to see how the term political prisoner applies though.Originally posted by MosesPresley
I love "illegal enemy combatant". How Orwellian. The semantics of this argument is simply so that all rights, The Geneva Convention, can be suspended for prisoner of war and turning them into political prisoners,...I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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What are you talking about? Did you read the thread. Military spending alone does not make a police state, but what about the other points?Originally posted by Patroklos
Sure it does, you (arbitrarily and for no reason) said that somehow the magical 50% budget threshold means OH MY GOD WE ARE A POLICE STATE!!!
So, since we don't meet that criteria (by a long shot), you must agree the US is nowhere near one.
1.) Back it up, I haven't been arresting anyone lately.
2.) Using the military as either support for (border surveilance/drug enforement) or as actual law enforcement (national disasters) is neither unique to today or extrodinary in any way.
I do not admit that we are far from a police state and the fact that, apparently, you are a police officer or are in law enforcement, does not comfort me that you think that we are not in danger of becoming one."In Italy for 30 years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed. But they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love. They had 500 years of democracy and peace. And what did that produce? The cuckoo clock."
—Orson Welles as Harry LimeComment
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That's exactly what I was talking about. After Katrina he wanted general domestic militarization,
"The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.Comment
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I'd like to see a cite as to how Bush ever tried to tinker with let alone revoke the Posse Comitatus Act. Using troops for disaster relief is neither new nor a violation of the act, so I'm curious how he did anything beyond the pale.Originally posted by MosesPresley
That's exactly what I was talking about. After Katrina he wanted general domestic militarization, but he was rebuked "Military personnel must be trained to operate under circumstances where the protection of constitutional freedoms cannot receive the consideration needed in order to assure their preservation. The Posse Comitatus statute is intended to meet that danger."Comment
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It's a term most justices of the Supreme court also acknowledged as legitimate in Hamdi. Stateless fighters are not guaranteed geneva protections hence the 'arbitrary' third classification.Originally posted by MosesPresley
Well there is no insurrection or invasion, so what was his reasoning again?
I love "illegal enemy combatant". How Orwellian. The semantics of this argument is simply so that all rights, The Geneva Convention, can be suspended for prisoner of war and turning them into political prisoners, but we can't call them that, so the awkward phrase "illegal enemy combatant" was coined so that the gumint can do whatever they want to them. In the name of freedom and security of course.Comment
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Since they are all arbitrary and unqualified selections picked more because of their factual existance in one particular country than because they actual mean anything I really don't care about the other "points."What are you talking about? Did you read the thread. Military spending alone does not make a police state, but what about the other points?
Guess again.I do not admit that we are far from a police state and the fact that, apparently, you are a police officer or are in law enforcement, does not comfort me that you think that we are not in danger of becoming one."The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.Comment
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I argue that they are political prisoners since they are not recognized as pow's. "Illegal enemy combatant" is just a dodge.Originally posted by DinoDoc
Well the GC does have a specific definition of who qualifies for POW status and if you don't qualify you aren't covered by the GC. I fail to see how the term political prisoner applies though.
I have to put my kids to bed. I'll check in tomorrow."In Italy for 30 years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed. But they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love. They had 500 years of democracy and peace. And what did that produce? The cuckoo clock."
—Orson Welles as Harry LimeComment
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There's something wrong with you. Butt out of my thread, unless you have something worthwhile to offer.Originally posted by Patroklos
Since they are all arbitrary and unqualified selections picked more because of their factual existance in one particular country than because they actual mean anything I really don't care about the other "points."
Guess again."In Italy for 30 years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed. But they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love. They had 500 years of democracy and peace. And what did that produce? The cuckoo clock."
—Orson Welles as Harry LimeComment
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