Top 10 Signs You Live in a Police State

[Thoth]

Originally posted by GePap


That quote is terribly misquoted all the time.

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That was the correct order. Recall that the concentrations camps were originally opened in 1934 for communists and trade unionists. This was even before the Nuremberg race laws of '35.

I couldn't remember the exact text, so I just quoted the first version that came up with a Google search.

Regardless of the order, it's the sentiment that counts.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Thoth


I couldn't remember the exact text, so I just quoted the first version that came up with a Google search.

Irregardless of the order, it's the sentiment that counts.

No, because the communists would never have sat quietly while they did all that. There's a reason why they got rid of the commies first.

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by Thoth
Irregardless

[Wiglaf]

Originally posted by Kidicious


Saying we aren't Russia doesn't exactly mean we aren't in any danger. That's a pretty low standard.

Then what does mean we're in danger?

We don't torture citizens and have only waterborded less than 10 detainees at gitmo anyway. Courts have already ruled that only conversations into and out of the US that are suspicious can be monitored. There have been no secret searches without at least some judicial involvement (believe it or not, some secret searches can be constitutional. and even if not, then they would be overturned at trial, because we don't throw citizens into gitmo).

The simple reality is, you are all men and are worried about panty raiding. It's an analogy, interpret it wisely.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Wiglaf

We don't torture citizens ....

English translation: We torture people who aren't Americans.

...and have only waterborded less than 10 detainees at gitmo anyway.

"Only 10." You talk as if torturing is okay.

Courts have already ruled that only conversations into and out of the US that are suspicious can be monitored.

No mention of use of ISP [OMG, we must immunize their law breaking!? :frenzy:] No mention of warrantless back-record snopping.

There have been no secret searches without at least some judicial involvement (believe it or not, some secret searches can be constitutional. and even if not, then they would be overturned at trial, because we don't throw citizens into gitmo).

Jose Pedilla will be so relieved

The simple reality is, you are all men and are worried about panty raiding.

And Constitutional protections being ignored. And human rights being violated.

It's an analogy, interpret it wisely.

Freedom means more than marching unquestioningly behind George W. Bush.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Wiglaf


Then what does mean we're in danger?

We don't torture citizens and have only waterborded less than 10 detainees at gitmo anyway. Courts have already ruled that only conversations into and out of the US that are suspicious can be monitored. There have been no secret searches without at least some judicial involvement (believe it or not, some secret searches can be constitutional. and even if not, then they would be overturned at trial, because we don't throw citizens into gitmo).

The simple reality is, you are all men and are worried about panty raiding. It's an analogy, interpret it wisely.

If this country is so great why do people like you always get your panties in a bunch when anyone criticises it?

[Wiglaf]

The fact that I can only get my panties in a bunch and not brutally oppress you should be explanation enough.

"Only 10." You talk as if torturing is okay.

It is, when you absolutely need information that can save thousands of lives. If you only waterboard 3 people -- which is all anyone can claim, and this is based on a CIA report -- then it seems reasonable that those 3 non citizens could have saved a lot more innocent individuals.

No mention of use of ISP [OMG, we must immunize their law breaking!? :frenzy:] No mention of warrantless back-record snopping.

Huh? Give examples.

English translation: We torture people who aren't Americans.

Essentially, everyone in Gitmo was a fighter for the terrorist Taliban regime. Hard to see how they are protected by the geneva convention or our own constitution.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Wiglaf
The fact that I can only get my panties in a bunch and not brutally oppress you should be explanation enough.

I think you miss the point. Why is it so important to you that people do not criticise the USA? What negative effects can it bring?

[Wiglaf]

It should be obvious that if we let everyone in Gitmo go free and revert back to pre-9/11 levels of intelligence, the country will be in more danger. Remember that much of the 9/11 plot was formulated on American soil and that a lack of communication and resources between the FBI and CIA is what allowed that attack to take place

[Heraclitus]

Why didn't you answer Kids question?

[DaShi]

Originally posted by Kidicious


I think you miss the point. Why is it so important to you that people do not criticise the USA? What negative effects can it bring?

I'll field this one for Wiggy.

You see, Americans suffer from low self-esteem. That's why we act like bullies and are so arrogant. It's all to cover up how inadequate we feel. Criticizing us only makes us feel worse. When we feel worse, we resort more toward are aggressive tendencies, making the world a less safe place. So it's best to just praise the USA, and let us live in our illusion.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Wiglaf
It is, when you absolutely need information that can save thousands of lives. If you only waterboard 3 people -- which is all anyone can claim, and this is based on a CIA report -- then it seems reasonable that those 3 non citizens could have saved a lot more innocent individuals.

Any professional interrogator (FBI, etc.) or ex-POW (.e.g. McCain) will tell you torture is counterproductive. It merely gets you the "information" that will stop the torturing, not the information that is true.

BTW: We are a nation built on laws and morality. We should not be torturing ANYONE!!

[Wiglaf]

Originally posted by Heraclitus
Why didn't you answer Kids question?

I did. I do not want people like him to elect presidents who will leave us more vulnerable, so I argue with him. Perhaps you should clean out your ear..

Any professional interrogator (FBI, etc.) or ex-POW (.e.g. McCain) will tell you torture is counterproductive. It merely gets you the "information" that will stop the torturing, not the information that is true.

BTW: We are a nation built on laws and morality. We should not be torturing ANYONE!!

What if there's a good chance they know of an impending terror attack and its location? Granted, in most cases torturing may not help. But it certainly has higher chance of succeeding than letting him chat with his ****ing lawyer for seven months.

Also, if the tortured individual lies and this is confirmed, he can be tortured more until he stops his bull****ting.

You seem to think we do this to everyone with little reason. Only 3 individuals have been waterboarded, and congress has visited Gitmo on many occasions. Get over yourselves..

[Zkribbler]

GWBush: The U.S. does not torture.
Wiggie: Yeah we do. But not a lot.

[Dinner]

America is safe. We have 48" pizzas.