Top 10 Signs You Live in a Police State

[Darius871]

Re: Re: Top 10 Signs You Live in a Police State

Originally posted by Zkribbler
So, you guys have proven No. 6.

What part of "If you want to make the 'it's wrong because it's wrrrrrrroooooooong' argument feel free to do so and I'd personally agree with you, but this crap about torture never bearing fruit..." don't you understand?

[Zkribbler]

Yes, poisonous fruit.

Our use of torture is used as a recruiting tool by al Qaeda. These new recruits then suicide bomb themselves, killing U.S. troop. Our use of torture increasing the chances captured U.S. troops will be tortured in turn. It also mentally screws up the torturers. And it results in the tortured prisoner telling us lies.

Good job.

[Wiglaf]

Originally posted by Zkribbler
Yes, poisonous fruit.

Our use of torture is used as a recruiting tool by al Qaeda.

Jesus you're naive. I don't think torture was a big deal when they flew two planes into the WTC.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Wiglaf


Jesus you're naive. I don't think torture was a big deal when they flew two planes into the WTC.

...at which time, the only al Qaeda found in Iraq was a single training base in the Kurdish controlled north. Since our invasion of Iraq and the subsequent torturing at Abu Grabe, recruitment of terrorists in Iraq has been very brisk.

[Wiglaf]

Since our invasion of Iraq and the subsequent torturing at Abu Grabe, recruitment of terrorists in Iraq has been very brisk.

Probably has more to do with the invasion than "Abu Grabe", chief.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Sophistry won't change the fact that entitlements account for a greater portion of the outflow of government monies then defense.

Trying to link disparet programs under the term "entitlements" is sophistry. Defense and Social Security tie each other with 21% of the budget each. Ergo Defense is tied for the single largest item in the budget. Stop playing word games.

Compare that to Social Security which actually turns a profit.

[Lul Thyme]

Originally posted by GePap


That quote is terribly misquoted all the time.

First they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

That was the correct order. Recall that the concentrations camps were originally opened in 1934 for communists and trade unionists. This was even before the Nuremberg race laws of '35.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...

It seems there really isn't a correct order, although yours seems "more correct" than the first one.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Compare that to Social Security which actually turns a profit.

Bull****.

[Dinner]

Social Security has turned a net profit for the government every year since it was invented in 1935. It's a hugely successful program which is why Republicans hate it and lie about it so much.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Bull****.

It's turning a profit so far.... Once we babyboomers start retiring in droves, there'll be problems.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Zkribbler


It's turning a profit so far.... Once we babyboomers start retiring in droves, there'll be problems.

Nah, just raise taxes.

[Dinner]

73 years of continuous profits isn't really a "so far". The fact is if politicians hadn't raided Social Security and actually allowed it to invest like any other retirement fund then it would be the single largest fund on earth. As it is it is still one of the largest though it can only legally own T-bills which give a wretched rate of return.

Still, even with the President and Congress constantly stealing from Social Security it still has 73 years of continuous profitability. Try to find a company with that kind of record.

[DinoDoc]

Try to find a company with that kind of record.

Given that the "lockbox" is largely stuffed with governmental IOUs from the general fund, would you accept Enron or Worldcom?

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by DinoDoc

Try to find a company with that kind of record.

Given that the "lockbox" is largely stuffed with governmental IOUs from the general fund, would you accept Enron or Worldcom?

The U.S. has not defaulted on a loan. Not even after the Revolution, when it and many of the states were insolvent.

So, I'd invest in U.S. bonds. ...Enron and Worldcom, not so much.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Zkribbler
So, I'd invest in U.S. bonds.

Why not just bury it in the backyard? You'd get about the same rate of return.