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  • Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
    And in McCulloch v. Maryland , Maryland wasn't banning the Bank of the United States, it was merely taxing it (btw, this case is where the quote "the power to tax is the power to destroy comes from").

    Chief Justice Marshall's pronouncement is still valid and the federal government is still supreme in its sphere and any attempts to curtail it by a state or locality will be batted down. Federal authority enjoys a wide berth and even state or local attempts to touch upon will be preempted.

    Basic Con Law. This law would be swatted away in a New York minute, without a doubt.
    So, no cookie?

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    • Originally posted by Kuciwalker
      So, no cookie?
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      • Is this how you are in school Kuci?
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        • Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
          No, that's not the way the first amendment works, and universities that set up "truth bubbles" have been sued already.

          That dog won't hunt.
          They've been sued, but IIRC, upheld, Ben. Time, place, manner restrictions are allowable. There are allowed to be "protest areas" during the RNC and DNC, so why not at universities?
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          • I don't know what you are talking about. You can't just go anywhere you want and say whatever you what. Care to give some specifics?
            That's hardly what I said. The way it works up here (and truth bubbles are a Canadian export), is that protests are confined to a certain area labelled a "free speech" area.

            I hardly think the same people who organised sit ins would find such restrictions palatable, but who knows?

            This is more a "time, place, and manner" restriction.

            Most campuses are set up with many quiet areas in which to study. Having someone raising the rabble a few feet away wiould destroy this. So, the rabble rousers are given a couple of places to blow off steam.
            These are actual truth bubbles. You cannot protest outside of a narrow area labelled as such by the administration. It has nothing to do with preserving quiet areas, but everything to do with restricting protests.

            Now we don't have a 1st amendment, but you folks do in the US. "truth bubbles" have been found to be unconstitutional.
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            • Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


              That's hardly what I said. The way it works up here (and truth bubbles are a Canadian export), is that protests are confined to a certain area labelled a "free speech" area.

              I hardly think the same people who organised sit ins would find such restrictions palatable, but who knows?
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              • They've been sued, but IIRC, upheld, Ben. Time, place, manner restrictions are allowable. There are allowed to be "protest areas" during the RNC and DNC, so why not at universities?
                Nope, they've been successfully challenged. They are a violation of the first amendment.

                As for the regulations of the DNC and the RNC, those only apply at their conventions. Truth bubbles are in place 365 days a year.

                Think about it Imran, how could university students organise a sit-in if they are confined to a truth bubble in a non-descript area of campus? That's how it works up here.
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                • Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


                  And in McCulloch v. Maryland , Maryland wasn't banning the Bank of the United States, it was merely taxing it (btw, this case is where the quote "the power to tax is the power to destroy comes from").

                  Chief Justice Marshall's pronouncement is still valid and the federal government is still supreme in its sphere and any attempts to curtail it by a state or locality will be batted down. Federal authority enjoys a wide berth and even state or local attempts to touch upon will be preempted.

                  Basic Con Law. This law would be swatted away in a New York minute, without a doubt.
                  So where in the Constitution does the Federal Government have Zoning Powers granted to it? Because the Tenth Amendment appears to say that that's what it would take. Unless DoD recruitment is an interstate commerce issue?

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                  • I thought Kid was playing dumb

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                    • Originally posted by Patroklos
                      I thought Kid was playing dumb

                      Its not funny anymore
                      Hmmm. Well you think the federal government can do whatever they want because....

                      "The Constitution"
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                      • Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
                        Nope, they've been successfully challenged. They are a violation of the first amendment.

                        As for the regulations of the DNC and the RNC, those only apply at their conventions. Truth bubbles are in place 365 days a year.

                        Think about it Imran, how could university students organise a sit-in if they are confined to a truth bubble in a non-descript area of campus? That's how it works up here.
                        Not by the Supreme Court though (individual districts may do what they will):



                        They haven't been successfully challenged at the federal level. There still are free speech zones all over the country at college campuses.

                        And university students who stage sit ins realize they can be arrested for it (and usually are... which helps their point that the administration of the college is fascist or whatever).
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                        • Originally posted by Igloodude
                          So where in the Constitution does the Federal Government have Zoning Powers granted to it? Because the Tenth Amendment appears to say that that's what it would take. Unless DoD recruitment is an interstate commerce issue?
                          Its actually based on the section dealing with raising and maintaining armies (Art 1, Sec 8, I forget the actual clause number). The necessary and proper clause would sufficiently cover recruiting centers, I'd imagine.
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                          • Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


                            Its actually based on the section dealing with raising and maintaining armies (Art 1, Sec 8, I forget the actual clause number). The necessary and proper clause would sufficiently cover recruiting centers, I'd imagine.


                            You've got to be kidding, right? Since they can raise armies they can create zoning laws?
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                            • Kid still curious on "understanding" yur views

                              Originally posted by Flubber


                              1. Is it that government should not be allowed to offer employment in one of its branches in a place or a manner that a private citizen could?

                              2. Or is it the particular branch of government? If this were an affirmitive action group (say a human rights tribunal) that wanted to recruit employees, would you support a government actor's right to ban them??

                              I am really curious if you would be on the same bandwagon if the municipality was trying to ban something you saw as very worthy
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                              • Originally posted by Kidicious
                                You've got to be kidding, right? Since they can raise armies they can create zoning laws?
                                I'm sorry, but when did they create zoning laws? All they did was to say that we can recruit here. That isn't creating anything. That's an exemption from local zoning laws (the power to zone is the power to destroy too).
                                “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                                - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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