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  • #91
    Well, even in Iowa, he got only half of the evangelical GOP vote.
    I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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    • #92
      Originally posted by DinoDoc
      What record does he have to run on?
      If I determine the enemy's disposition of forces while I have no perceptible form, I can concentrate my forces while the enemy is fragmented. The pinnacle of military deployment approaches the formless: if it is formless, then even the deepest spy cannot discern it nor the wise make plans against it.
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      "The Art of War"

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      • #93
        Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
        I don't see it in terms of 'class solidarity' but in terms of labour. I respect the job they do and the work they put into their job.
        Again, how can you a priori decide that you respect the job they do?
        What if the murderer's union (or whatever you don't respect) was on strike?
        Or (more realistically) what if their strike involved blockading totally unrelated stuff, say one McDonald's staff was on strike and was blocking an hospital?

        I'm not saying I'm against picked lines or strikes, just that there is place for judgment and thought, and they shouldn't automatically have our sympathy.

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        • #94
          If you picket you'll get a scab.

          Completely unrelated nonsense. Carry on....
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          • #95
            Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
            Nah... he's too dumb to capitalize on it.
            Let's see how many resources he puts into New Hampsshire over the next week. If he wastes his resources there, he's a moron. If he instead concentrates on South Carolina, he's more of a threat.

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            • #96
              Originally posted by SlowwHand


              Same ol' same ol'. Talking trash about things of which you know nothing.
              Comming from a texan that is just precious
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              • #97
                [QUOTE] Originally posted by Ramo


                The penalty is obviously a deterrent. What else would it be? Revenge?


                sufficient to act as a deterrent, is obviously what I meant.

                In the Edwards solution (I don't think Clinton has spelled out the enforcement mechanism), you don't specifically target the fundamental problem in an unmandated system - the free riders. You penalize everyone who doesn't get health insurance. Obama specifically tries to deter free riders.


                Ive already explained why a penalty on people who apply for the insurance when theyre sick, rather than mandating coverage, is problematic.

                There's an added bonus, again, of getting the subsidy level worked out before you start imposing penalties.


                Has Obama said even his free rider deterrent wont be part of the starting package?

                And it might be easier to pass.


                Maybe, or it might end up being harder, when folks figure out it will make the plan less able to achieve its goals.
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                • #98
                  sufficient to act as a deterrent, is obviously what I meant.


                  QFT here Ramo. You have to have been deliberately misreading lotm to write what you did.

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                  • #99
                    Well I speak for many in my income bracket when I say I'd much rather spend my very limited money on food and shelter then on health insurance when I have visited a doctor once in the last 8 years.

                    Mandated health insurance
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                    • Again, how can you a priori decide that you respect the job they do?
                      Name an occupation that doesn't deserve our respect that also strikes? Lawyers and politicians don't strike so they don't count.

                      Or (more realistically) what if their strike involved blockading totally unrelated stuff, say one McDonald's staff was on strike and was blocking an hospital?
                      The point of the picket is to picket your place of work, not others. You could be arrested for that.

                      I'm not saying I'm against picked lines or strikes, just that there is place for judgment and thought, and they shouldn't automatically have our sympathy.
                      I see it as an important principle that you don't cross the line. It's not so much about whether you agree with the dispute or not, crossing the line is a sign of disrespect for the people that work at the job. By refusing to cross, you are refusing to get involved in the dispute.
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                      • Are all Canadians this silly?

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                        • sufficient to act as a deterrent, is obviously what I meant.
                          I know what you meant. It would obviously be high enough to be a deterrent. There's no point in a penalty otherwise.

                          Ive already explained why a penalty on people who apply for the insurance when theyre sick, rather than mandating coverage, is problematic.
                          The uninsured make a roughly proportional share of ER patients. They don't like to use ER's because it's really goddamn expensive. There's already a huge incentive not to rely on it.

                          I don't know what the penalty structure is (and, I repeat, what they look like before and after they get through Congress is likely to be considerably different), so it's difficult to speculate on how excessive it's supposed to be, but it's a pretty huge assumption you're making that any penalty sufficiently large to deter free riding is also sufficiently large to deter paying it when the need arises.

                          We also, conveniently, have no idea how Clinton would enforce her mandate.

                          Has Obama said even his free rider deterrent wont be part of the starting package?
                          That's my read, given that it wasn't part of the initial plan.
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                          • Originally posted by Ramo

                            The uninsured make a roughly proportional share of ER patients. They don't like to use ER's because it's really goddamn expensive. There's already a huge incentive not to rely on it.



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                            • Clicked on a couple links, and couldn't find anything directly refuting that quote. I recently read about a study by the American College of Emergency Physicians saying that 15% of ER patients are uninsured. Looking for that right now...
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                              • Originally posted by Kuciwalker
                                Are all Canadians this silly?
                                NO .

                                Refusing to cross a picket line is obviously picking labour's side in a dispute. ben saying that you would "not pick sides" by refusing to do business with someone you ordinarily do business IS PICKING SIDES. Attempting to influence people NOT to do business with their employer is one of the pressure tools of strikers
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