Benezir Bhutto Dies in Attack!

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Patroklos


Yes, I was talking about all muslims, which would be obvious considering what I said, as these types of events are hardly a Pakistan only problem. The willingness to run into crowds strapped with explosives, and the seeming acceptance or indifference to this by muslims worldwide, is a muslim problem.

Personally, I think the best reaction from an Algerian muslim to this would be "Hey, thats too bad, but it happened in Pakistan, I mean we're coreligionists and all that, but my identity is as an Algerian first, so Im not really focused on whats happening in Pakistan, Im trying to build the state here in Algeria"

If they react like that, the terrorists have lost
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[LordShiva]

Originally posted by Patroklos


Yes, I was talking about all muslims, which would be obvious considering what I said, as these types of events are hardly a Pakistan only problem. The willingness to run into crowds strapped with explosives, and the seeming acceptance or indifference to this by muslims worldwide, is a muslim problem.

Compared to what has happened so far, what would you have preferred moderate Muslims to have done in teh few hours since teh incident?

[OzzyKP]

Burn effigies of Bin Laden and turn over cars.

[SlowwHand]

Yeah, that's moderate.

[OzzyKP]

Extremism in defense of moderation is no vice.

[Agathon]

I'm not going to cry for that skank. "Mobutu with boobs" is the best description I've heard. Apparently, she and her husband had a money siphoning scheme and secret bank accounts that would have shamed the Mafia. And it's not as if she wasn't prone to using violence herself when it suited her (and before the Indians start up, Indira Gandhi did too). Musharraf is just as bad, and would be improved by being dead as well.

The usual crap is on the news, which is predictable since she was "our" bent Islamic politician.

The sad thing is that this will cause riots and massive civil unrest in which many ordinary Pakistani people will needlessly die. These are the same ordinary people who are the victims of the tawdry manipulation and corruption of Pakistani elites like Bhutto and Musharraf, who care nothing for them or their families.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Patroklos

Yes, I was talking about all muslims, which would be obvious considering what I said, as these types of events are hardly a Pakistan only problem. The willingness to run into crowds strapped with explosives, and the seeming acceptance or indifference to this by muslims worldwide, is a muslim problem.

I take it you are ignoring the Hindu Tigers of Tamil Elam, who pioneered such suicide attacks, and assassinated the Prime Minister of India with just such an attack a couple of decades ago.

Muslims didn't invent this, and nor were they the first to use it against politicians.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Agathon
I'm not going to cry for that skank. "Mobutu with boobs" is the best description I've heard.

A few millions, much less than Mobutu stole, and Pakistans economy was a lot bigger than Zaire's. No comparison, really.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Agathon

Muslims didn't invent this, and nor were they the first to use it against politicians.

Its kinda like Bill Gates and the GUI, its not who invented it, its who perfected it and made it a successful global phenomenon

[Whaleboy]

[Agathon]

Originally posted by lord of the mark

Its kinda like Bill Gates and the GUI, its not who invented it, its who perfected it and made it a successful global phenomenon

No it's more like the Israelis, who didn't invent Lebensraum, but made it a successful phenomenon.

Now please stop spamming and get back to the topic.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by lord of the mark

A few millions, much less than Mobutu stole, and Pakistans economy was a lot bigger than Zaire's. No comparison, really.

Except that both of them were thieves who exploited their impoverished citizens.

Nice one dude.

[Whaleboy]

No it's more like the Israelis, who didn't invent Lebensraum, but made it a successful phenomenon.

Well there's Lebensraum where Jews get gassed, Slavs become slaves and Germans get everywhere, and there's Lebensraum where medieval, hyperreligious backwards territories become prosperous, liberal, relatively open societies.

Jewish Lebensraum

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Agathon


Except that both of them were thieves who exploited their impoverished citizens.

Nice one dude.

Petty corruption is widespread in the 3rd world. If youre gonna wait for a leader with perfectly clean hands, youre gonna wait a long time. And again, from everything I can gather, the Pakistani electorate was quite aware of that as well. Oh, and her PPP was about as strong a voice for social democracy, IIUC, as existed in Pakistan.

Maybe she wasnt fit to be elected. If so, the people of Pakistan had the right to decide that for themselves.

I expect that what will follow now will be no better, and probably worse.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I like the fact that Aggie thinks any leader in Pakistan has clean hands. Like LOTM said, petty corruption (and not just the petty kind) is widespread in the 3rd world and especially a country like Pakistan, where the social norm is pay-for-play.