After a year and a half, estranged from my best friend

[Igloodude]

Originally posted by JulianD
Is she trying to let them "guests" loose ?

She's inviting more. BDSM is a full-contact sport, and occasionally a spectator sport as well.

[Q Classic]

Originally posted by Alinestra Covelia
Yeah, I made it clear to him (I think, based on what I related above, which was pretty close to the actual language used) that if he ever decided to break up with her, he was welcome back. But while he's with her she is so overbearing an influence that we cannot and will not waste our effort in helping him.

I think this is the best course, honestly. Hopefully it works out better, Ali, but until then, pour one out for the lost friend.

[Q Classic]

Originally posted by techumseh


I like my friends loyal.

Sometimes, shock therapy is what's needed. Nothing cuts as deep as a close friend saying, "This far and no further."

'Friendship' and 'loyalty' doesn't necessarily entail going into a black hole after them, only to die as well. It can also involve placing all of the tools necessary to facilitate their escape, and getting as close to the event horizon as possible.

If the HK is going to ruin his life, friendship doesn't mean Ali has to ruin her enjoyment of hers out of a misguided sense of 'loyalty'.

[Kuciwalker]

I'm interested in what tools you think would be useful for escaping from behind an event horizon

[Q Classic]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
I'm interested in what tools you think would be useful for escaping from behind an event horizon

Well, for one, magic. Besides, if someone's that determined to ruin his life, not even supermegavoltronrocketboosters could save him.

My friends and I had a similar situation like that. *shrugs* The one we lost had gotten to the point where, no joke, he said, "She's a litmus test. Either you like her or you don't, and either way, that's all I need to know about you."

We didn't. He made his decision, went to Minneapolis to live in his GF's sister's basement, not having a job, alienated from his friends and family...

I don't know if he's ever coming back.

[Alinestra Covelia]

Originally posted by techumseh


I like my friends loyal.

Loyalty's a fine thing, to be sure. But even loyalty has its limits, and when somebody has done something to put themselves outside your loyalty, you withhold it.

Everybody draws the line at a different spot, that's true. But everybody has their limits... well - everybody but HK it seems.

But he's a good example of when loyalty past a reasonable limit becomes dependence and weakness.

I'm all for loyal friends, but in the same way as I'm all for patriotism: dedicated, but still with room for rational questioning. Blind devotion isn't praiseworthy, it's foolhardy. (See the Aristotelian Mean discussion above - though I might have forgotten to label it as such.)

Edit: It's the discussion about a non-swimmer jumping in to save the life of a drowning child.

[Pekka]

WHat I want to see is this:

First, ACs boyfriend goes to see this lady BPW, they just meet somehow randomly and by accident. Insults are exchanged. Then ACs boyfriend accidentally kicks this lady between her legs and as a response she kicks ACs boyfriend in the nuts.

AC gets mad when she hears about this, and doesn't want to kick BPW in the baby popping machine and instead directs the anger towards HK and kicks him in the nuts. HK goes ballistics and kicks AC in the machine.

Then everyone is on the ground in pain and my balls are still working. Then I say, "why so serious?"

[Whoha]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
I'm interested in what tools you think would be useful for escaping from behind an event horizon

An invisible gorilla with a necktie would be my first choice.

[Zoid]

Originally posted by Pekka
WHat I want to see is this:

First, ACs boyfriend goes to see this lady BPW, they just meet somehow randomly and by accident. Insults are exchanged. Then ACs boyfriend accidentally kicks this lady between her legs and as a response she kicks ACs boyfriend in the nuts.

AC gets mad when she hears about this, and doesn't want to kick BPW in the baby popping machine and instead directs the anger towards HK and kicks him in the nuts. HK goes ballistics and kicks AC in the machine.

Then everyone is on the ground in pain and my balls are still working. Then I say, "why so serious?"

"Nice friend you have there. I'll roshambo you for him."

[Alinestra Covelia]

Originally posted by Pekka
WHat I want to see is this:

First, ACs boyfriend goes to see this lady BPW, they just meet somehow randomly and by accident. Insults are exchanged. Then ACs boyfriend accidentally kicks this lady between her legs and as a response she kicks ACs boyfriend in the nuts.

AC gets mad when she hears about this, and doesn't want to kick BPW in the baby popping machine and instead directs the anger towards HK and kicks him in the nuts. HK goes ballistics and kicks AC in the machine.

Then everyone is on the ground in pain and my balls are still working. Then I say, "why so serious?"

...aaaaaand we're back to our usual scheduled Pekka programming...

Incoherent, inappropriate, and unfailingly hilarious.

[Pekka]

Watch it AC, or I'll have someone kick you in the machine.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Alinestra Covelia


Loyalty's a fine thing, to be sure. But even loyalty has its limits, and when somebody has done something to put themselves outside your loyalty, you withhold it.

Everybody draws the line at a different spot, that's true. But everybody has their limits... well - everybody but HK it seems.

But he's a good example of when loyalty past a reasonable limit becomes dependence and weakness.

I'm all for loyal friends, but in the same way as I'm all for patriotism: dedicated, but still with room for rational questioning. Blind devotion isn't praiseworthy, it's foolhardy. (See the Aristotelian Mean discussion above - though I might have forgotten to label it as such.)

Edit: It's the discussion about a non-swimmer jumping in to save the life of a drowning child.

AC, I really like your concept ou loaylty to a friend - accept to my terms or suffer.

Honestly, you are not in any way a friend of him and has never been. You have only considered HK as a member of your "clan/group/whatever" as long as he followed your rules. That has nothing to do with friendship, that is what you find in some puberty fraternaty.

You really doesn't have any clue about what friendship is about.

[Zoid]

Bah, friendship is a two way street. And someone's blocking the road with a big fat lorry...

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Zoid
Bah, friendship is a two way street. And someone's blocking the road with a big fat lorry...

Yeah, you have a point if the other part ****s you, but if that person just do what he/she likes without harming anything but your ideas of how things should be, then it's BS.

[Zoid]

If you can't stand the person they're with, and they refuse to see that or even meet you without them I think that qualifies as ****ing...