School shooting in Finland. 7 dead...

[PLATO]

Originally posted by Pekka
Couldn't go beyond the first page without people giving their political agendas, well more like attacking some side, congratulations:

PLATO
DinoDoc
Kuci

Not that I mind, I'm not insulted, I didn't know anyone that died there, but class is showing, I think jokes and stuff should be on the second page and forward, not the first ones.

Sorry Pekka

[Ari Rahikkala]

Riesstiu: Nah, the news had broken by the time that was posted. It's just 4chan humour, and Norwegian journalists being stupid and not checking their timestamps

[Riesstiu IV]

I only asked because it's probably not the first time 4chan has driven someone to go on a suicidal rampage. The website seems to attract a lot of people with messed up personalities and poor social function.

[Kuciwalker]

I've stated an agenda? Where?

[Pekka]

plato, naahhh don't be sorry. I know it wasn't meant like a joke like that.... plus, I didn't knwo anyone there. I'm not that upset about it anyway, I mean the event. I just thought you know, first page rule . There is no such rule. For example, fi someone tells a joke about it now, I don't care. I know, it's weird!

Kuci, gun control. Besides it doesn't really work in this case, you know because we have third most weapons in here. Sure, gun control is tight, but then again there's tons of guns already so.... but I wouldn't even disagree with you. I just wait for the idiotic debates that follows in here (Finland, not Apolyton). You know, gun control this and that, violent video games, rock music,.... the typical crap. The next big televisiond ebate will be tons of people wanting to monitor and ban internet forums. That's the way it goes, this kind of crap for a month.

So I guess I got a bit upset about the gun control comment not because it would be irrelevant or disrespectful too early, more like that we're going to have to watch that debate for weeeeeeeeeks now. It reminded me of it. I didn't think about that before your post.

And I apologize Kuci, DD and Plato, I was being a jackass myself. But I didn't mean it with anger when I posted it. But I'llt ake it back because I can. It's there but it's not there anymore.


I can't WAIT for the ban everything cries. Plus, the "WHY WHY WHY", as in we failed as a society once again, let's make rules, let's ban some stuff... the only thing I'd say is worth debating is how do we help these troubled youngsters better when they are depressed and stuff like that. Anything else is waste of time and besides the point IMO.

[Kuciwalker]

Kuci, gun control. Besides it doesn't really work in this case, you know because we have third most weapons in here. Sure, gun control is tight, but then again there's tons of guns already so.... but I wouldn't even disagree with you. I just wait for the idiotic debates that follows in here (Finland, not Apolyton). You know, gun control this and that, violent video games, rock music,.... the typical crap. The next big televisiond ebate will be tons of people wanting to monitor and ban internet forums. That's the way it goes, this kind of crap for a month.

So I guess I got a bit upset about the gun control comment not because it would be irrelevant or disrespectful too early, more like that we're going to have to watch that debate for weeeeeeeeeks now. It reminded me of it. I didn't think about that before your post.

Exactly, I don't actually have an agenda there. I was just predicting the inevitable (that gun control would come up), and then noting the irony that my prediction was self-fulfilling.

[Pekka]

Actually, the "It's dubya's fault, gun contrl is teh answr" brings few points that also would make me shoot a comment that would upset most Finns. First of all, when there's a school shooting in the US, there's people here that go like it's an American problem, the society blah blah blah, values down, blah blah, guns blah blah.

Well look who's talking now? It's very simple. The kid went crazy, got a gun (he was 18, you think 18 year olds can't get a gun if they really want to?), planned this ****, cold and calculated execution of that plan and that's it. People often forget we aren't any better than the rest of the countries or people. People can go nuts in here just like everywhere else.

I'm sorry that all these people died and for their families and friends, but mostly I'd feel sympathy for the parents of this killer. They must be going through a complete mindfudge right now. How can they cope with this? The killer is likely to die, he shot himself in the head as well. But aside from dying, he just freaking killed loads of people. It's a small place.... it's not like everyone is going to understand the parents didn't do it.

The kid went nuts, end of story basically. Let's focus on mental health issues, not video games, music and other crap that the banning rod is waiting to touch.

[Pekka]

Kuci, I REALLY hope we can avoid that debate, not on Apolyton but in Finland. It would make no sense. As in how do you make it tighter? You can't, so end of debate right there, it didn't happen because he could get a gun. He could get it regardless. Steal it, buy from the streets.... if 18 year old wants a gun really bad, they'll get it, no matter what.

Plus what happens now is that schools and everyone rats out the "weird kids", someone makes a joke and the cops come talk because who knows if they're serious.... there's all kinds of crap happening because of this very soon. And a possibility of some copycat jerk in few years.

[Chemical Ollie]

Originally posted by Pekka
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Anyway, here's the "manifesto" of the killer: ---

I am ready to die for a cause I know is right, just and true... even if I would lose or the battle would be only remembered as evil... I will rather fight and die than live a long and unhappy life.

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Justice renders to everyone his due."

I hope he survives but becomes paralysed from the injuries, then rots in a prison for 80 years. Justice renders everyone his due.

[DinoDoc]

You have prison terms that long in Finland?

[Pekka]

No. You know this is a case I' dlike to see this killer survive, just to see what kind of a joke thing he'd get.

DD, there's no way in hell they'd convict him, he'd go to nut house. Less than 10 years though. If convicted, life sentence, that would translate into... 10-15 years.

Oh and to gun control people, THIS GUY HAD A PERMIT FOR THE GUN! You can get hand guns and stuff in here as well, even though tight control. What that control means is that you can't have a criminal background and that you have a reason to have it. This guy belonged to a shooting club. So... it's nto that difficult even to get a permit really.

Plus now some people who knew him and so forth havbe told, that he really did think he was an ubermensch. I mean now they know he was serious. Had a grudge against human race, figured he was God like "decision maker". So forget about GTA, Metallica and porn. The dude was ****ing insane.

[VetLegion]

Too bad for the kids he killed. I'm sure this is going to be analyzed from every possible angle, twice, so I don't know what to add. I'm affraid I have to agree with Pekka. People go nuts all the time, I don't think there's really a solution for that.

[Adagio]

[q=Insane guy]Don't blame the movies I see, the music I hear, the games I play or the books I read. No, they had nothing to do with this[/q]

People are probably still going to blame those things

"OMG! He played Doom!?! Let's ban the game FOREVER"

[uniteatteri]

The bodycount is currently at 8 people. 5 male students, 2 female student, and the headmaster of the school. Other injuries are light, except the killer himself. After shooting at his own head, he is now in critical condition, chance of survival being close to zero.

Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jokela_school_shooting

[Elok]

Originally posted by uniteatteri
The bodycount is currently at 8 people. 5 male students, 2 female student, and the headmaster of the school. Other injuries are light, except the killer himself. After shooting at his own head, he is now in critical condition, chance of survival being close to zero.

Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jokela_school_shooting

Another Harry Potter-inspired killing.

Oh, and how the deuce is there already a Wikipedia article?