Worst ending to a sci-fi trilogy?

[Lorizael]

There is the problem of it being seven hours long.

[Darius871]

Originally posted by Elok
or are you trolling this board's Tolkien geeks?

Perhaps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKbyWSwd7hk

[Xorbon]

Well, this thread is supposed to be:

"about series that were doing pretty well until the third movie came along and retroactively ruined the first two through its sheer badness."

And I would think that if you didn't like the changes made from book-to-movie in the third installment, that you wouldn't like the changes made in the first two either. I really don't see much difference in the quality of the movies.

[Dis]

No one mentioned Superman yet. Though comic book movies aren't exactly sci fi. But they have the same type of fans, so I lump them all together.

[Lord Avalon]

Originally posted by Aeson

But if Palpatine is so badass... he doesn't need that help. He's already beat Yoda and Mace... and Anakin has killed most of the other Jedi. (In the movie they make it seem like Yoda and Obi Wan are the only 2 left by the end).

Palpatine has lots of other servants... why keep the only one who could dethrone you? Just isn't smart.

It's the Sith way. Always two there are: a master and an apprentice. And if there are only two Sith, then you'd want the most powerful apprentice possible to help you acheive your nefarious ends, right?. Yes, he may become powerful enough to knock you off and become the master. But then you weren't able to stay on top, so you deserve to die. It's just the Sith way.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Lord Avalon is correct . The ways of the Sith are one master and one apprentice and if the apprentice wins, then you weren't good enough to be the master. Of course, being a Sith every master thinks there is no way any apprentice can knock them off.

And I think the books are important when it comes to a disagreement as to how the portrayal in the movie actually is, as the books show how it was intended to be.

While Palpy had some clowinishly evil moments, it's all part of the cliche of the big bad evil mastermind. Doesn't degrade his badassness at all.

[q=Sandman]In addition to being Galactic Chancellor and his own 'enemy' as the grey eminence behind the Trade Federation, Palpatine also manages to be a supreme lightsabre wielder and general badass Force-user. Not to mention creating a secret clone army and taking on two apprentices. Oh, and he can do all this without the Jedi finding out.[/q]

THREE apprentices. After Darth Maul was dispatched, Dooku became Sideous's apprentice and then Anakin killed him and subsequently took his place.

And yes.. all showing his supreme badassness. The biggest achievement was hiding himself from the Jedi, creating a fog, letting them know there was a Sith Lord, but no clue where he may actually be... until he chose to strike.

[Kuciwalker]

And I think the books are important when it comes to a disagreement as to how the portrayal in the movie actually is, as the books show how it was intended to be.

If the books disagree or clarify with the movie in a way that makes the story better/more coherent, that shows a flaw in the movie.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Books are always (ok, maybe not always, but mostly) better than their movie counterparts at explaining things.

And since the book confirms what I considered the scenes to be showing, I don't necessarily think it is disagreeing or making the story more coherent .

[Straybow]

Coherent? You're kidding, right?

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Lord Avalon is correct . The ways of the Sith are one master and one apprentice and if the apprentice wins, then you weren't good enough to be the master. Of course, being a Sith every master thinks there is no way any apprentice can knock them off.

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THREE apprentices. After Darth Maul was dispatched, Dooku became Sideous's apprentice and then Anakin killed him and subsequently took his place.

And yes.. all showing his supreme badassness. The biggest achievement was hiding himself from the Jedi, creating a fog, letting them know there was a Sith Lord, but no clue where he may actually be... until he chose to strike.

teh self-pwnage! lol LOL

Dooku was Darth Tyranus, who arranged for the making of the clone army ten years earlier. So, in fact Palpatine had TWO APPRENTICES at the same time: Maul and Tyranus.

In other words Lucas can't write for shyte, but that isn't exactly news now, is it?

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
And since the book confirms what I considered the scenes to be showing, I don't necessarily think it is disagreeing or making the story more coherent .

It is clarifying something that's not certain in the movie. Therefore it's meaningless, because the value of the film as a film is completely independent of the novel.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Straybow
Dooku was Darth Tyranus, who arranged for the making of the clone army ten years earlier. So, in fact Palpatine had TWO APPRENTICES at the same time: Maul and Tyranus.

You realize that Ep2 was set 10 years after Ep1, right?

[Aeson]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Lord Avalon is correct . The ways of the Sith are one master and one apprentice and if the apprentice wins, then you weren't good enough to be the master.

First of all, I'm talking in regards to the movie. (See later in this post.) While they mention something about "where there is one, there is two"... nothing further about the nature of the Sith is really explained.

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That said, this wasn't always the case. There was a time when there were many dark lords of the Sith, and later on, where there was only one.

Of course, being a Sith every master thinks there is no way any apprentice can knock them off.

Except Palpy... who outright says Vader "will be more powerful than either of us" during his fight with Yoda.

And I think the books are important when it comes to a disagreement as to how the portrayal in the movie actually is, as the books show how it was intended to be.

I made it very clear from the start that I was discussing how things appeared in the movie only. What "should have been" is obviously another topic, and only serves to undermine your support for the movie if you have to fall back on it to make your points.

While Palpy had some clowinishly evil moments, it's all part of the cliche of the big bad evil mastermind. Doesn't degrade his badassness at all.

It makes his character into a joke in the movie. And they didn't do that to Vader (In later episodes... in ep 3 he was unintentional comedy given how he trailed off every line.)

[Straybow]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
You realize that Ep2 was set 10 years after Ep1, right?

Oh, sure.

"Here I am with my masterplan on the line, I just sent my apprentice to kill some two-bit politician from a backwater planet, who happens to be guarded by the most powerful Jedi who isn't on the Council."

"Dang it, he failed. So, who am I gonna recruit as an apprentice and entrust this delicate and crucial element of making a clone army?"

"Hello, Coruscant Daily? Connect me to the Personals, please. Yes. Yes. Category? Do you have an Evil Mastermind category? No... OK, I just want to hire an apprentice... Yes, I suppose the general Business section will do. How much per line? Oh, and do you have highlighting?"

[Lorizael]

Actually, Maul's only purpose was to kill Qui-Gon, which he did. I really don't think Palpatine cared what happened to Maul after that, so he was probably already planning on another apprentice.

[Jon Miller]

In 4-6 it is obvious that the emperor has hampered vaders developement.

JM