Starcraft 2

[RGBVideo]

Microsoft tried to grab Starcraft's market share in RTS's with Rise of Legends. Any ideas as to why they failed?

[Admiral]

They'll never use pause-with-orders in starcraft, because its primary appeal will be in multiplayer.

[Adagio]

Originally posted by Admiral
They'll never use pause-with-orders in starcraft, because its primary appeal will be in multiplayer.

What are you talking about? You do know that pause-with-orders has NOTHING to do with it's primary focus being MP, right? Pause-with-orders is something only for SP (for obvious reasons). Saying that it's not going to be in SP, just because the primary focus of the game is MP, makes no sense at all
That would be the same as saying that you shouldn't be allowed to pause at all in SP, because of MP

[LordShiva]

With things like Ghosts and stuff, pause-with-orders makes teh game unfun.

[Maniac]

Originally posted by LordShiva
With things like Ghosts and stuff, pause-with-orders makes teh game unfun.

1) Then don't use Pause.
2) Your personal opinion. I find ghosts dropping nukes on you and only having a few frantic seconds to find the ghost or try to minimize the damage perhaps the most unfun elements of the game to me. For me the fun or challenge regarding nukes and ghosts is not in the hectic tension of finding and eliminating that ghost fast but in setting up a defensive system so that the ghost doesn't stand a chance. Likewise on the offensive I don't enjoy having to coordinate lots of unit in little time, but rather figuring out some cool tactics to bring down my opponent, and then micromanaging that attack plan at my leisure. I'm simply not good at clicking the mouse very fast. I don't think they should make that an absolute requirement to be able to enjoy the game.

[DinoDoc]

It seems like you want a TBS rather than a RTS.

[Maniac]

No I don't. I want StarCraft with pause mode.


For the record, I generally prefer something like Europa Universalis ("real time" with pause) over turnbased.

[Straybow]

Originally posted by Sn00py
what I am saying is that if you are going to have a pause feature AND allow the ability to manage your units and buildings, then its a little hard to call the game an RTS, it would be more of an P/RTS.

It isn't really "real time" so why does it matter if it has a pause?

[The Mad Monk]

I like the pause. TA has the pause.

I can carefully choose my tactics, give flawless orders to my gallant units at my leisure, and watch my plan unfold, take off, and crash spectacularly in glorious full motion.

[Adagio]

Originally posted by LordShiva
With things like Ghosts and stuff, pause-with-orders makes teh game unfun.

Who's forcing you to use it?

[onodera]

Blizzard considers reaction speed and rapid thinking quite important skills for a Starcraft player.
Not only you have to outsmart the opponent in SC, you have to outpace him.
It's not chess, it's fast chess, a completely another cup of tea.

[FrostyBoy]

Sigh, those of you who need your pause button sound as if you need it in order to win/be satisfied.

I'm alright with that, but to me, its kind of like having the ability to genetically engineer Superman in a game of civilization and just mow down anyone and anything. Yeah, it's fun, but where's the challenge?

If only we could pause in the real world.

[Adagio]

Originally posted by Sn00py
Sigh, those of you who need your pause button sound as if you need it in order to win/be satisfied.

I rarely use it myself, but sometimes I'm just not interested in playing a game where you have to click 10000+ times per second just to have a chance at winning. Sometimes I just want to relax when playing

Blizzard considers reaction speed and rapid thinking quite important skills for a Starcraft player

But that's still no excuse for not having it in SP. Sure if you ever want to be good at the game, you shouldn't use give-orders-while-paused

[MikeH]

The typical RTS AI is fairly stupid, the only thing it has going for it is that it can get its units to do stuff fast. Possibly not using the best strategies, but at least it's doing something.

If you're playing an RTS, where you can give your orders with pauses you should be able to absolutely murder the AI very easily especially as it almost certainly won't have been programmed to take advantage of the gaps. You have to focus on your main market and in RTS that's people who don't use pause to give orders.

[Adagio]

Originally posted by MikeH
You have to focus on your main market and in RTS that's people who don't use pause to give orders.

Under normal situations I would agree, but in this case it's more like the opposite. I'd say it takes more time to program the game to not allow giving orders while paused, as they have to check if the game is paused every time the user tries to do something
It's like they're spending time building a wall in a place where only few people go, but the wall has no positive effect as it doesn't harm anybody if people where allowed to go there

So IMHO they should focus on making the game, instead of wasting time building a pointless wall


If it was the other way, that it would take more time to make it possible to allow giving orders while paused, then I would agree on not having the feature in the game, but that's not the case