Can we just THROW texas out of the union already?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Geronimo


I detect a miscommunication. This seems like a complete non sequitor. In what way did you perceive that I might be trying to seperate how people feel from how they believe?

"It has nothing to do with Texans deriving pleasure from killing people."

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Wycoff

That's essentially what Vesayen's doing with this thread. He's suggesting that Texans are a bunch of bloodthirsty monsters for not giving this man yet another procedurally based break. That's just one big personal attack designed to bias people against Texans, with whom Vesayen disagrees.

What do you expect when Texans continually act like a bunch of ignorant barbarians? Chimpy McIdiot is only the greatest of their crimes.

The United States is the only western democracy that still executes people. Texas is merely the worst offender in this regard. So, don't complain when Texas gets called out, since Texans themselves seem to support this awful and mediaeval practice. Then again, it is merely the poster boy for the generally uncivilized and backward behaviour that permeates the United States.

Calling the Texan judicial system bloodthirsty and monstrous is like calling the Pope a Catholic.

[Riesstiu IV]

Originally posted by Agathon


What do you expect when Texans continually act like a bunch of ignorant barbarians?

Hey, I'm not a barbarian.

[Wycoff]

Originally posted by Agathon
The United States is the only western democracy that still executes people.

Bandwagon fallacy. I love it. You're (supposedly) a philosopher. Why don't you actually make an argument?

Texas is merely the worst offender in this regard. So, don't complain when Texas gets called out, since Texans themselves seem to support this awful and mediaeval practice. Then again, it is merely the poster boy for the generally uncivilized and backward behaviour that permeates the United States.

And you call Dino Doc a bot.

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by Kidicious


"It has nothing to do with Texans deriving pleasure from killing people."

You misunderstsood my post.

Possibly most Texans derive pleasure (in some sense) from killing criminals and rapists because they believe it's the proper thing to do.

However it would be incorrect to say that they enjoy killing people as an unqualified statement.

If a texan accidently backed over their kid while pulling out of their garage I daresay they would derive zero pleasure from having killed someone.

Ergo Texans don't enjoy killing people. They "enjoy" killing *certain* people under *certain* circumstances and as it happens none of the enjoyment whatsoever will be expected to exist under other circumstances.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Geronimo


You misunderstsood my post.

Possibly most Texans derive pleasure (in some sense) from killing criminals and rapists because they believe it's the proper thing to do.

However it would be incorrect to say that they enjoy killing people as an unqualified statement.

If a texan accidently backed over their kid while pulling out of their garage I daresay they would derive zero pleasure from having killed someone.

Ergo Texans don't enjoy killing people. They "enjoy" killing *certain* people under *certain* circumstances and as it happens none of the enjoyment whatsoever will be expected to exist under other circumstances.

Of course I didn't mean they like to kill people indiscriminately. They get pleasure from "bad" people.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by East Street Trader
If the state can't get its execution done in six months then the sentence needs to be automatically commuted.

The state could. The delays are on the convict/appellant side, taking advantage of every delaying tactic possible, to buy time for the condemned.

[Wezil]

The State could get it done within minutes of arrest. Do you want it done fast or right?

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Wycoff

Bandwagon fallacy. I love it. You're (supposedly) a philosopher. Why don't you actually make an argument?

Are we not allowed to make claims now? Is the death penalty not popular in Texas? Is Texas not the most extreme representative of the death penalty in the US?

I would have thought it evident to every rational being that the Texan attitude towards punishment was backward. I've made plenty of anti-DP arguments in other threads, but I no longer see any point in wasting actual knowledge of the issue on the average Poly conservative (who have been immunized against reason). But there's still some common decency in condemning barbarism wherever it exists.

People who defend the death penalty aren't much different from people who defend burning witches.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Riesstiu IV

Hey, I'm not a barbarian.

Then why don't you leave?

Your state, and to a lesser extent your country is consistently proving itself the enemy of civilization and reason.

Why stay?

Is it the reality TV?

[Riesstiu IV]

No thanks to you guys. You gave us Rupert Murdoch. And reality TV? Steve Irwin pioneered that by dangling his child in front of crocodiles.

If America is the enemy of civilization and reason, Australia is our retarded inbred brother who follows along.

[SlowwHand]

Can I ask a serious question?
What are you going to do when we're gone?
Who are you going to talk about? I guess you can still talk about Texas. We can't care any less, now can we?

[Kidlicious]

You're leaving forever?

[SlowwHand]

With any luck.

[Wycoff]

Originally posted by Agathon
Are we not allowed to make claims now? Is the death penalty not popular in Texas? Is Texas not the most extreme representative of the death penalty in the US?

That's not the part that represents the bandwagon fallacy, and you know it. The idea that you presented, that the D.P. is self-evidently wrong because most countries refrain from using the D.P., is the bandwagon arguement. I know that you have better reasons that that for why the death penalty is wrong. I just wanted to read them.

I would have thought it evident to every rational being that the Texan attitude towards punishment was backward. I've made plenty of anti-DP arguments in other threads, but I no longer see any point in wasting actual knowledge of the issue on the average Poly conservative (who have been immunized against reason). But there's still some common decency in condemning barbarism wherever it exists.

Why don't you link to some of your arguments (or, better yet, why don't you link to (or recommend) some arguments from a real philosopher)? I don't recall reading your personal anti-DP arguments, and I'd be interested in seeing if there's anything new that hasn't been rehashed here ad nasuem. I know that Gepap and I had a lengthy debate about this a few years ago. If you'd like, I'll try to find it. I'll warn you though. We managed to argue for multiple pages without ad hominems. Reading through something like that may distress you or make you feel disoriented.