Georgian Nazis!

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Patroklos


Those dasterdly SS baking companies, greasing their baking sheets with Joo blood.

Or those imfamous SS yeomen, using babies blood for ink

OH MY GOD TEH EVIL!!!

A SS Clerk can kill a lot of people with the stroke of a pen, are you saying they are less responsible because they didn't pull the actual trigger?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Chemical Ollie
Yeah, that's what they deserve! And the Brits "hosting" Boers in the early 20th century?

The Brits won.

[Dinner]

My understanding the SS was the elite and you had to volunteer to join the SS. Now I am sure there was a lot of propaganda to brain wash people and for a guy facing infantry service on the Russian front, as most German men of military age were, the idea of getting what they thought was a nice cushy job in the rear was no doubt appealing. I suspect that the new recruits didn't learn about the final solution (though they may have suspected) until after they were in and then it was to late.

The guy should be deported back to Germany as he did lie on his immigration forms 52 years ago but anything else needs to be proven in a court of law.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Oerdin
My understanding the SS was the elite and you had to volunteer to join the SS.

Yes, it was an elite (I think you are referring to real SS units not those Viking, Galicia, etc "national", non-German divisions). That's why they didn't accept just any volunteer. A volunteer had to fit certain parameters (health, skills) including ideology.
He had to be a true 100% nazi to join the SS.

[Kuciwalker]

Deport him.

[Riesstiu IV]

Wouldn't deporting him from Georgia to Germany actually be more like a reward?

[Patroklos]

That's why they didn't accept just any volunteer.

And yet they accepted every conscript alotted to them (hundreds of thousands), as well as every racially unchecked army officer forcibly transferred to them, odd that. :Hmmm:

[Serb]

And there were no ideology check?

Yeah, right. What kind of elite was that, if they accepted just anybody?

[Serb]

One more thing, let me repeat myself:

**** the nazis and the nazi-sympathizers!

[Patroklos]

A SS Clerk can kill a lot of people with the stroke of a pen, are you saying they are less responsible because they didn't pull the actual trigger?

Some are, most aren't. I somehow doubt the SS desk clerk at the wounded soldiers convelensence home at Rostock had any impact on the death camps. Are you still unable to see the fallacy of your collective guilt theory?

Your were in the Navy, the Navy is part of the military, other memebers of the military committed the acts at Abu Gharib, so obvioulsy you are responsible

[Patroklos]

And there were no ideology check?

Yeah, right. What kind of elite was that, if they accepted just anybody?

The Heer and Luftwaffe had elite units as well. Was this due to some special screening process?

Some units and organizations no doubt did. I am sure none of Himmlers body guards were draftees.

However, in an organization that numbered 1,500,000+ over the course of a 5 odd year war, does it seem plausible to you that they were all hand picked? Especially knowing what I have told you about the German armed forces recruiting policy? It is a fact the SS accepted direct conscripts from 1940 at least, and indirectly from before the war by absorbing transfered Heer personel.

You can ignore the obvious if it gives you the warm fuzzy, but in the end you need to make sure you don't build a myth in the opposite direction of the ones you decry.

Ask yourself Serb, out of all the "elite" Red Army guard divisions were they all ideologically pure?

[germanos]

Originally posted by Patroklos


Some are, most aren't. I somehow doubt the SS desk clerk at the wounded soldiers convelensence home at Rostock had any impact on the death camps. Are you still unable to see the fallacy of your collective guilt theory?

Your were in the Navy, the Navy is part of the military, other memebers of the military committed the acts at Abu Gharib, so obvioulsy you are responsible

The correct analogy would lie more in the line of: You were a dog handler in Abu Graib, and are held accountable for the crimes committed there.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Patroklos


Some are, most aren't. I somehow doubt the SS desk clerk at the wounded soldiers convelensence home at Rostock had any impact on the death camps. Are you still unable to see the fallacy of your collective guilt theory?

Your were in the Navy, the Navy is part of the military, other memebers of the military committed the acts at Abu Gharib, so obvioulsy you are responsible

It's different. SS was all about the inhuman nazi ideology and its members were devoted to that inhuman nazi ideology. In your analogy - every member of nazi party is responsible, not every soldier. SS was a guard dog of the nazi party, not just a regular military formation.

[Patroklos]

The correct analogy would lie more in the line of: You were a dog handler in Abu Graib, and are held accountable for the crimes committed there.

Actually, since Lonestar just accused every member of the SS of war crimes simply by memebership, your analogy is not keeping up with the conversation.

We have moved on from the limited scope of the OP

[Patroklos]

It's different. SS was all about the inhuman nazi ideology and its members were devoted to that inhuman nazi ideology. In your analogy - every member of nazi party is responsible, not every soldier. SS was a guard dog of the nazi party, not just a regular military formation.

You are getting lost in what you want to see, even though even an cursory examination of the plausibility of what you describe could only lead someone to believe that what you want the SS to be, a homogenous group of lock step ideologes, is not possible.

I could say the same thing about the Red Army couldn't I? According to Stalin and the commisars a group of communist warriors dedicated to the triumph of Russia and Bolshivism, perfectly willing to commit own special brand of attrocities (not nearly as bad as the Nazis) in the name of the cause. We know this wasn't actually the case.