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    I hate those guys, the worst kind of Nazis!



    Suspected Nazi War Criminal Found In Metro Atlanta

    LAWRENCEVILLE, Ga. -- Nazi hunters have tracked a suspected World War II concentration camp guard to Lawrenceville.

    Members of the Justice Department's elite Nazi tracking force said Paul Henss, 85, served as a prison guard and attack dog handler at the notorious Dachau and Buchenwald Concentration Camps in Nazi Germany.

    "It is not 100% true, what they charge me," said Henss Monday afternoon. Henss appeared confused as he tried to answer a barrage of questions from reporters Monday afternoon.

    The Justice Department and the Department of Homeland Security have asked an immigration judge in Atlanta to deport Henss.

    Officials said Henss entered the United States in 1955 after concealing his concentration camp service.

    The document says Henss admitted on March 13 that he served as an SS guard at Dachau and Buchenwald for two to three months each as a dog handler.

    When asked by a Channel 2 reporter, "Did you see dogs or did you train dogs to attack prisoners who tried to escape?" Henss paused for a while, appeared confused and then said, "Sure, we trained them in Berlin."

    Paperwork filed by the Criminal Division’s Office of Special Investigations (OSI) and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) said Henss joined the Hitler Youth organization in Germany in 1934 as a 12 or 13-year-old boy and joined the Nazi Party in September 1940.

    In early 1941, Henss volunteered to serve in the Waffen SS and became an SS dog handler in 1942 after serving in the elite Waffen SS combat unit “Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler.”

    Investigators also said that Henss taught other concentration camp guards at Dachau and Buchwenwald how to use attack dogs to guard prisoners and prevent their escape.

    Henss himself is also accused of personally guarding prisoners and labor details with an attack dog.

    "When somebody run away, they supposed to catch them," Henss said. He then said he, "Didn't do anything, the dogs were just trained like that."

    “Hundreds of thousands of persons were confined under horrific conditions at Dachau and Buchenwald on the basis of their race, religion, national origin or political opinion,” said Assistant Attorney General Alice S. Fisher of the Criminal Division in a release.

    “By commencing these proceedings against a man who participated in the victimization of those who were interned there, the Justice Department continues to make good on its pledge to ensure that the United States does not become a sanctuary for human rights violators.”

    “The SS committed mass murder at Dachau and Buchenwald and subjected thousands of inmates to slave labor, starvation, grotesque medical experimentation, and torture,” said OSI Director Eli M. Rosenbaum, whose office investigated the case.

    Henss said he didn't know about the mass extermination of Jews and other prisoners. "This was in 1942, I didn't know nothing about what they were going to do, especially with the Jews, I didn't know nothing about it," Henss told reporters.

    “The brutal concentration camp system could not have functioned without the determined efforts of SS men such as Paul Henss, who, with a vicious attack dog, stood between these victims and the possibility of freedom.”

    The case against Henss is the first case in Georgia that the Office of Special Investigation has handled, said Jaclyn Lesch, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Department of Justice in Washington.

    No court date has been set for Henss, she said.
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  • #2
    The people that can be hunted and caught by Nazi hunters are slowly dying out

    But this one sound like a very small fish. Just a little pawn in the brutal terror system Adolf Hitler erected.
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    • #3
      Ogie and I have a job to do. We'll be right back .
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      • #4
        I think war criminals need to be punished as much as the next guy, but how does merely being a guard at a camp qualify you as a war criminal? Did he personally brutalize prisoners? Since when is using dogs to capture "criminals" (for lack of a better word, I merely mean capture people you want to detain) a crime? Or was he letting them tear the prisoner to pieces or somehow else torture them?

        Merely being a guard is not enough to condemn these people in my opinion. So this guy joins the army to serve his country and his superior officer says to go guard prisoners in this camp. What was he supposed to do, say no? They'd put a bullet in his head. In fact right now we're using the "I was ordered to" defense in Iraq for soldiers who have killed innocent civilians there. At least those soldiers could disobey an order without getting shot for it. Why don't we prosecute all the citizens of the villages that were nearby for war crimes too? They surely knew what was going on but did nothing. If you saw a brutal horror and you knew the same would happen to you if you tried to stop it, would you be so quick to rise up? We're talking terror none of us have ever faced, not just your life would be at risk, but that of your family as well. It should be proven that this guard was guilty of some direct crime against prisoners other then just making sure they didn't escape before he is punished for a war crime.
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        • #5
          Force him to become a Rabbi.

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          • #6
            Members of the Justice Department's elite Nazi tracking force said Paul Henss, 85,


            Elite force?

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            • #7
              Or was he letting them tear the prisoner to pieces or somehow else torture them?


              I think that's the concern. Or that he trained the dogs to attack prisoners ("catch them" my ass!)
              “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
              - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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              • #8
                I say we turn him over to Michael Vick
                Monkey!!!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Shrapnel12
                  Merely being a guard is not enough to condemn these people in my opinion. So this guy joins the army to serve his country and his superior officer says to go guard prisoners in this camp.
                  He didn't join the army (Heer). He joined the Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler (one had to be a fairly committed Nazi to be accepted, it wasn't a conscript unit), then volunteered to transfer to camp guard duties. He also trained dog handlers. One would presume (there is a lot of historical documentation to back this up) that SS Totenkopfverbande dog handlers (and their dogs), used slightly different procedures and had slightly different rules than, say, your average municipal police K-9 unit.

                  What was he supposed to do, say no? They'd put a bullet in his head.
                  He was supposed to not say "Pick me, pick me! ."

                  Why don't we prosecute all the citizens of the villages that were nearby for war crimes too? They surely knew what was going on but did nothing.
                  There's a difference between being a bystander and being a willing, ideologically committed participant.

                  We're talking terror none of us have ever faced, not just your life would be at risk, but that of your family as well.
                  Ah, yes, the terror of being one of Eicke's "elite within an elite" in Nazi Germany.

                  It should be proven that this guard was guilty of some direct crime against prisoners other then just making sure they didn't escape before he is punished for a war crime.
                  He is being deported. He lied on his immigration paperwork. That is enough for deportation.

                  He should be deported to Israel.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Shrapnel12
                    I think war criminals need to be punished as much as the next guy, but how does merely being a guard at a camp qualify you as a war criminal? Did he personally brutalize prisoners? Since when is using dogs to capture "criminals" (for lack of a better word, I merely mean capture people you want to detain) a crime? Or was he letting them tear the prisoner to pieces or somehow else torture them?

                    Merely being a guard is not enough to condemn these people in my opinion. So this guy joins the army to serve his country and his superior officer says to go guard prisoners in this camp. What was he supposed to do, say no? They'd put a bullet in his head. In fact right now we're using the "I was ordered to" defense in Iraq for soldiers who have killed innocent civilians there. At least those soldiers could disobey an order without getting shot for it. Why don't we prosecute all the citizens of the villages that were nearby for war crimes too? They surely knew what was going on but did nothing. If you saw a brutal horror and you knew the same would happen to you if you tried to stop it, would you be so quick to rise up? We're talking terror none of us have ever faced, not just your life would be at risk, but that of your family as well. It should be proven that this guard was guilty of some direct crime against prisoners other then just making sure they didn't escape before he is punished for a war crime.

                    As has already been commented, there is one moral dfference between being a conscript and a SS volunteer. As for being "merely" a guard...guards are incapable of abuse? Western democracies have problems with guards acting up, you're honestly saying the gorram SS isn't actively mistreating guys in the camps?(you know, when they aren't tossing them in the ovens)
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                    • #11
                      He didn't join the army (Heer). He joined the Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler (one had to be a fairly committed Nazi to be accepted, it wasn't a conscript unit), then volunteered to transfer to camp guard duties. He also trained dog handlers. One would presume (there is a lot of historical documentation to back this up) that SS Totenkopfverbande dog handlers (and their dogs), used slightly different procedures and had slightly different rules than, say, your average municipal police K-9 unit.
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                      • #12
                        You felt it was worth it enough to post.
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                        • #13
                          He didn't join the army (Heer).
                          Correct, but only accidently on your part. But then again, nobody could just join the Heer during the war.

                          He joined the Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler (one had to be a fairly committed Nazi to be accepted, it wasn't a conscript unit),
                          One could not join the Leibstandarte any more that someone can join the 3rd Armored Division. Germany had a national military pool. You were drafted into the Wehrmacht, of which every service received a specific portion of recruits by law to include the Waffen SS. The SS was a conscript force, and was that way long before the war began.

                          The Liebstandarte was a conscript formation from no later than when it was increased to Division strength just after the French campaign.

                          Furthermore, unlike the majority of Heer formations SS units did not always have a "home barracks" from which to draw recruits. In the Heer, assuming you were not allotted to another service, you would be assigned to a formation based out of your home area. Germany went to great lengths to maintain this as long as possible as they thought being around your own was good for morale and unit cohesion. The SS, while there were exceptions, did not follow this policy. The 1st SS Panzer Division most certainly did not as they were a guard formation originally and had no greater link to any particular geographic region than where their original barracks were located outside Berlin prior to the war, which was arbitrary.

                          then volunteered to transfer to camp guard duties.
                          Where does it say he volunteered? In any case, Nazi chasers/prosecutors have gotten in trouble/lost cases before trying to use guard assignment as proof of war crimes. It is a common known fact that Waffen SS soldiers, and sometimes Heer soldiers, were assigned camp guard duty while recovering form injuries and then sent right back to the front when healed.

                          Not saying most were not scumbags, but guard duty in and of itself is not proof of anything but guard duty.

                          One would presume (there is a lot of historical documentation to back this up) that SS Totenkopfverbande dog handlers (and their dogs), used slightly different procedures and had slightly different rules than, say, your average municipal police K-9 unit.
                          I doubt it, how would the training differ? Unless you can teach a dog to identify a Jew from Guard having it ruthlessly attack any human would be counter productive, as a dog handler especially. I suppose you could teach them to attack people wearing camp uniforms but I suspect they were trained just like any other "attack" dog.

                          The only question that has to be asked and proven is as a dog handler/guard did he use them in the manner being assumed. The OP provides no such proof. In fact, it doesn't even accuse him of anything other than being a guard with a dog.

                          I am not saying he didn’t do what they said, but the OP doesn’t convince me.
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                          • #14
                            Let me be clear in that I'm not taking any position other then what Patrolos said:

                            ...but guard duty in and of itself is not proof of anything but guard duty.
                            I do not know if this guy is guilty of anything worse or not. I do not know how one became a concentration camp guard in Germany during WWII. If people are saying, "Oh he was a guard, shoot him", then I have a problem with that. If people are saying, "He was a guard and he killed these people and/or tortured these people.", then I say shoot him.

                            As for deportation, why deport him to Israel? Is he an Israeli citizen? He should be deported to the country he is a citizen of, then that country and Israel can disuss extradition based on actual facts and proof, not a kneejerk, emotional need for revenge.
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                            • #15
                              Hey Shrapnel and Pat, it says in the article that:

                              In early 1941, Henss volunteered to serve in the Waffen SS and became an SS dog handler in 1942 after serving in the elite Waffen SS combat unit “Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler.”
                              And the Goddamn Waffen-SS made no secret of it's actions and philosophies, so it isn't like he was all "dear me! You say you round up the Jews and kill them? I didn't know that happened when I joined the armed part of the Nazi Apparatus!"

                              The only appropriate place for a SS volunteer is at the end of a noose. A pity our only option is deportation.
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