Democratic aggressors seek to strip Florida of its right to vote

[Ramo]

That doesn't contradict what DD said. Passports aren't the sole proof of citizenship.

No ****. I never claimed it was.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Ramo
The law said, again, picture ID and proof of citizenship. The latter is likely going to be a passport.

Or possibly a birth certificate and a safe place to store it? Or are those things simply more expensive than a passport?

[Ramo]

The simple fact is that this is about disenfranchising a bunch of poor people to address a virtually non-existent problem.

[Kuciwalker]

Ramo's taking a page out of GePap's book. Sad to see

[Ramo]

Or possibly a birth certificate and a safe place to store it? Or are those things simply more expensive than a passport?

I have no idea what your point is. Again, the poor are a lot less likely to have proof of citizenship than more wealthy people, and significantly less likely to get it if they don't already have it than rich people. Are you seriously trying to dispute this?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Ramo
The simple fact is that this is about disenfranchising a bunch of poor people to address a virtually non-existent problem.

Of course there is no voter fraud Nope none at all

I'd still like an answer to the question my post actually posed though.

[Darius871]

Originally posted by Ramo
Again, no one is going to get a duplicate birth certificate. Not every time they register to vote.

Who said anything about every time they register? I'm talking about one very simple course of events.

1. A law is passed requiring that anyone voting must verify citizenship with a birth certificate.
2. Larry's parents lost his birth certificate at some point, but he wants to vote. Therefore, he spends 10 minutes filling out a form requesting a duplicate.
3. Larry receives the certificate.
4. Larry votes.
5. Larry puts his certificate in a safe place in case it's ever needed again.

If Jim is too irresponsible and stupid to go through the simple steps Larry took, Jim don't get no vote. Whether Jim happens to also be rich, poor, black, white, latino, purple, martian, whatever is completely irrelevant. It's his behavior that matters.

Do I need to break out the sock puppets?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Ramo
Are you seriously trying to dispute this?

Considering I have experience with trying to get a birth certificate, yes I am. It's not that hard to get one and as long as you keep it in a safe place, you only have to request it once.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Darius871


Who said anything about every time they register? I'm talking about one very simple course of events.

1. A law is passed requiring that anyone voting must verify citizenship with a birth certificate.
2. Larry's parents lost his birth certificate at some point, but he wants to vote. Therefore, he spends 10 minutes filling out a form requesting a duplicate.
3. Larry receives the certificate.
4. Larry votes.
5. Larry puts his certificate in a safe place in case it's ever needed again.

If Jim is too irresponsible and stupid to go through the simple steps Larry took, Jim don't get no vote. Whether Jim happens to also be rich, poor, black, white, latino, purple, martian, whatever is completely irrelevant. It's his behavior that matters.

Do I need to break out the sock puppets?

Your papers please!!!

Why can't you idiots organize elections properly? It's not cat herding.

[Darius871]

Maybe this'll make it more clear for you Ramo:

[Ramo]

Who said anything about every time they register? I'm talking about one very simple course of events.

1. A law is passed requiring that anyone voting must verify citizenship with a birth certificate.
2. Larry's parents lost his birth certificate at some point, but he wants to vote. Therefore, he spends 10 minutes filling out a form requesting a duplicate.
3. Larry receives the certificate.
4. Larry votes.
5. Larry puts his certificate in a safe place in case it's ever needed again.

If Jim is too irresponsible and stupid to go through the simple steps Larry took, Jim don't get no vote. Whether Jim happens to also be rich, poor, black, white, latino, purple, martian, whatever is completely irrelevant. It's his behavior that matters.

Do I need to break out the sock puppets?

Fair enough, I was thinking about mail-in registrations. Presumably it would be sent back, on second thought.

The point, once again, is that rich people are more likely to have proof of citizenship than poor people. They're also more likely to have the free time, awareness, and money to get it in time to register to vote if they don't already have it. You can make this bull**** euphemism as this only affecting the moronic, but the practical effect is that a lot of poor people become disenfranchised.

Of course there is no voter fraud Nope none at all

You realize that the first link, about vote-buying, had absolutely nothing to do with a problem that could be fixed by a voter ID law? As for the second link, this is again related to a very different problem - dead people not being taken off the voting rolls. It's also worth pointing out that these were absentee ballots, not people voting in person (what voter ID laws primarily target).

A final point - virtually non-existent is not the same thing as non-existent. You might be able to find a few exceptions, but this is an extremely small problem. Again, see the US Electoral Assistance Commission.

[Ramo]

Maybe this'll make it more clear for you Ramo:

Yes, everyone who had rich parents and vacationed in Paris are smart and responsible.

Considering I have experience with trying to get a birth certificate, yes I am. It's not that hard to get one and as long as you keep it in a safe place, you only have to request it once.

It's not that hard to register to vote either. For some reason, poor people tend to turn out at lower rates. For precisely the same reason that this bureaucratic asshatery would reduce poor turnout even further.

[Darius871]

Originally posted by Ramo


Fair enough, I was thinking about mail-in registrations. Presumably it would be sent back, on second thought.

The point, once again, is that rich people are more likely to have proof of citizenship than poor people. They're also more likely to have the free time, awareness, and money to get it in time to register to vote if they don't already have it. You can make this bull**** euphemism as this only affecting the moronic, but the practical effect is that a lot of poor people become disenfranchised.

By your logic then, we're unfairly disenfranchising the poor and minorities by having laws against larceny, because obviously the poor and minorities are more likely to commit larceny!

No. We punish the individual for his/her act of larceny. That a given larcenist might also happen to be African-American and/or impoverished is merely a coincidence. All a law does is proscribe or require an act or omission, period.

[Ramo]

That's retarded. Not having handy proof of citizenship is not equivalent to not being an adult citizen.

[Darius871]

Originally posted by Ramo
Yes, everyone who had rich parents and vacationed in Paris are smart and responsible.

I'm not comparing Jim and Sally, I'm comparing Jim and Larry.

Granted, Sally doesn't need to go through the grueling misery of filling out a simple form for 10 minutes. How incredibly fortunate for her.