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  • #46
    The TX Republicans were trying to pass a voter ID law that required both a picture ID and proof and citizenship to register to vote (because everyone has a passport or birth certificate laying around). To be fair, the law didn't intend to disenfranchise only minorities, but less wealthy people in general...


    such a requirement isn't unreasonable at all.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by DinoDoc
      GePap: If the DNC sticks to its guns, I can't see an actual reason why they would come out and vote in the primary. Why would you got to the effort of voting when you were being explicitly told your vote wouldn't count? It's already a low enough reward activity as is reducing its rewards to nil can't help but depress turnout.
      Practically, then, it changes nothing for Florida voters, who never matted anyway, since the candidates were already chosen by the time we had our primaries.

      However, if whomever comes out of Florida with a win is still going to get a boost nationally, so even if they have no official say, they have more say now than they did before.

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      Maybe we should require all primaries to be held the 2nd Tuesday of September.
      Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Kuciwalker
        The TX Republicans were trying to pass a voter ID law that required both a picture ID and proof and citizenship to register to vote (because everyone has a passport or birth certificate laying around). To be fair, the law didn't intend to disenfranchise only minorities, but less wealthy people in general...


        such a requirement isn't unreasonable at all.
        Actually, it is. It's a major frigging hassle for people who aren't college students or unemployed to get ID.
        Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Ramo
          The TX Republicans were trying to pass a voter ID law that required both a picture ID and proof and citizenship to register to vote (because everyone has a passport or birth certificate laying around). To be fair, the law didn't intend to disenfranchise only minorities, but less wealthy people in general...

          Of course, the whole point is that this is a virtually non-existent problem. If that weren't the case, the whole US Attorney scandal wouldn't have been one. The US Electoral Assistance Commission pointed out that these sorts of laws do very little as far as actually addressing voting fraud, and have the primary effect of substantially reducing minority turnout.
          Why is it so inconceivable that a minority or poor individual could file a duplicate certificate request like anyone else? It's more accurate to say that requiring such documentation disenfranchises the stupid and unresourceful. Needless to say, there are plenty unresourceful morons in the GOP as well.

          Of course, if you want to imply that minorities and the poor are most likely stupid and unresourceful, that's your right...
          Unbelievable!

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          • #50
            Because that's really ****ing inconvenient. More importantly, the wealthy aren't going to go duplicate their birth certificate, but use that passport. You know, the one that is used for Summer vacations in Europe. Something that a poor black person in a Dallas ghetto is significantly less likely to have (and something that costs a nontrivial amount of money).]
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            • #51
              such a requirement isn't unreasonable at all.
              Growing up in the land of 20 bathrooms that might be the case. Get some perspective, dude...
              "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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              • #52
                What's so damn tough about filling out a simple form, mailing it, and getting a piece of paper in the mail a few weeks later? Or going to a library and doing it online? Why would being poor or a minority make something so perfunctory any more complicated?
                Last edited by Darius871; September 30, 2007, 13:11.
                Unbelievable!

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Ramo
                  Growing up in the land of 20 bathrooms that might be the case. Get some perspective, dude...
                  I now see the error of my ways.

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                  • #54
                    as well you should
                    Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                    • #55
                      What's so damn tough about filling out a simple form, and getting a piece of paper in the mail a few weeks later?
                      Because that takes free time, awareness, and money - all a few months before the actual election (about how long it took for my passport to come, plus time to process that registration). If you can't see how this disproportionately disenfranchises poor people, you're delusional.
                      "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                      -Bokonon

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Ramo
                        Because that takes free time, awareness, and money - all a couple months before the actual election (about how long it took for my passport to come). If you can't see how this disproportionately disenfranchises poor people, you're delusional.
                        The only person who couldn't make such a simple document request is an irresponsible, unresourceful idiot. That an irresponsible, unresourceful idiot might also happen to be poor or a minority is merely coincidental. To imply otherwise would be inherently classist and racist as far as I'm concerned.

                        Sure, looking at the big picture poor people and minorities might be statistically more likely to fail to procure necessary documents than wealthy whites would be. That doesn't change the fact that they were disenfranchised because of irresponsible, unresourceful, moronic choices that they made, regardless of what their class or race happened to be.

                        There's nothing classist or racist about punishing behavior.
                        Last edited by Darius871; September 30, 2007, 13:20.
                        Unbelievable!

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                        • #57
                          I'd be extremely suprised if the law you're refering to actually requires a passport as the sole acceptable form of ID.
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                          • #58
                            The law said, again, picture ID and proof of citizenship. The latter is likely going to be a passport.


                            The only person who couldn't make such a simple document request is an irresponsible, unresourceful idiot. That an irresponsible, unresourceful idiot might also happen to be poor or a minority is merely coincidental. To imply otherwise would be inherently classist and racist as far as I'm concerned.


                            Again, no one is going to get a duplicate birth certificate. Not every time they register to vote. That's absurd. What they're going to do is use their passport or get one if they don't have one already. More wealthy people are a lot more likely to do the former and somewhat more likely to do the latter than the poor. It's not classist or racist to say that. It's idiotic to say otherwise.
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                            • #59
                              The law said, again, picture ID and proof of citizenship. The latter is likely going to be a passport.


                              That doesn't contradict what DD said. Passports aren't the sole proof of citizenship.

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                              • #60
                                There's nothing classist or racist about punishing behavior.
                                How dare they not be able to afford vacations to other countries. What a bunch of terrible human beings.
                                "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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