Iran leader denied WTC wreath request

[SlowwHand]

That wouldn't bother him in the least. He'd just laugh at the infidels.

[GePap]

Sorry, but what the **** did the Iranians have to do with 911?

Yes, Iran supports organizations that are classified by the US as terrorists. That does not mean they had anytihng to do with AQ's attack against the WTC whatsoever.

[Wernazuma III]

Originally posted by GePap
Sorry, but what the **** did the Iranians have to do with 911?

Yes, Iran supports organizations that are classified by the US as terrorists. That does not mean they had anytihng to do with AQ's attack against the WTC whatsoever.

Don't detract with arguments, terrorists are terrorists. Who cares that Iran was the most important enemy of the Taliban before the invasion by the allies...

However, I think it would be interesting to tie the permit with demanding a public respect for the victims of the holocaust.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by snoopy369

At least the right shows respect for their opponents, and does not descend quite so quickly to ad hominem attacks.

Sometimes calling a spade a spade is the same as an ad hominem attack. Examples: Hitler was an *******; George W Bush has the intellect of an ameoba; Conservatives are stupid and have no decent arguments (this is due mainly to their authoritarianism, as per the ebook I linked on here a while back. Perhaps I should put the link in my sig).

You clowns have absolutely nothing but blind prejudice to offer. This has been the case for years now. Most of you were blindly supportive of Shrub from the beginning of my time here, and now that events have shown you completely wrong, you don't have the common decency to admit that the lefties were right about pretty much everything. Yet you still have the gall to want your opinion taken seriously about Iran or other world events. It's deserving of the contempt of all reasonable people.

Why the hell shouldn't Ahdinnerjacket lay a wreath at Ground Zero. IIRC, the Iranians have always been supportive of the US with regard to that event, and there were even IIRC candlelight vigils held in Iran after the event to honor the victims. And we all know that Iran had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11.

WTF do his other weird views have to do with his desire to visit Ground Zero? He's certainly no worse than any other jackass politician who has had a photo op there.

The truth is that allowing him to lay a wreath at Ground Zero would disrupt the Bush Adminstration's attempt to portrary Iranians as gleeful fellow travellers of Al Qaeda, and to whip up support for an unjustified pre-emptive strike on Iran, which, like previous escapades, is based on no credible evidence.

Give it a few months and half of Americans will believe he was involved in 9/11, if they don't believe that already.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Agathon
Why the hell shouldn't Ahdinnerjacket lay a wreath at Ground Zero. IIRC, the Iranians have always been supportive of the US with regard to that event,

Perhaps if the evidence didn't point toward the opposite conclusion they might have been more inclinded to let him lay a wreath. Or perhaps if they'd hand over the AQ leaders on vacation in the country, they could as well.

[Straybow]

Originally posted by Agathon
Why the hell shouldn't Ahdinnerjacket lay a wreath at Ground Zero. IIRC, the Iranians have always been supportive of the US with regard to that event, and there were even IIRC candlelight vigils held in Iran after the event to honor the victims. And we all know that Iran had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11.

Vigils by the ruling party, clerics, and their rent-a-mobs? No. They're busy blaming 9/11 on Mossad and calling the Holocaust a hoax.

[- Groucho -]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Perhaps if the evidence didn't point toward the opposite conclusion they might have been more inclinded to let him lay a wreath. Or perhaps if they'd hand over the AQ leaders on vacation in the country, they could as well.

By that logic, Pakistani President Musharraf should also be up for the same demonization, yet instead he is the US's ally. The 9/11 commission's staff's report (rather than an article written before the report actually came out) lumps both Iran and Pakistan into the same group for their turning a blind eye to AQ members in transit to and from Afghanistan.

Staff Statement No. 15: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5224036/

[DinoDoc]

@ - Groucho -: I'd find your train of thought much more compelling if the Pakistani government had approached AQ in an attempt to form a collabarative relationship for attacks on the US or if the Pakistani government were harboring AQ leaders in relative safety.

[- Groucho -]

Consensus has it that Bin laden is in the Pakistan tribal areas. Sounds like harboring to me. As for collaboration in attacks on Americans - Pakistani border guards waving on Taliban insurgents to cross into Afghanistan and fight NATO forces sounds like collaboration to me.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/10/06/wafghan06.xml

The point being that while Pakistan has certainly been more helpful, Iran isn't quite as demonic as people try to make it out to be. After all, a country that isn't much different is our ally.

(Edit - this is not to be interpreted as a defence of their current political leader - the guy is a tool and a rabid anti-semite. No question. But he isn't his country. And I didn't like DinoDoc's "evidence".)

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by - Groucho -
Consensus has it that Bin laden is in the Pakistan tribal areas. Sounds like harboring to me.

It certainly would be such if the central government had full control over the area and if the government hadn't launched assaults in the area aimed at trying to get the foreign elements out.

And I didn't like DinoDoc's "evidence".)

What exactly have I said that has been wrong? Explaining that might be a more productive area of discussion for you than defending Agathon's contention that Iran has been supportive with the US in this area.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Perhaps if the evidence didn't point toward the opposite conclusion they might have been more inclinded to let him lay a wreath. Or perhaps if they'd hand over the AQ leaders on vacation in the country, they could as well.

Look. I'll put it in capitals for you.

YOUR GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS ARE FULL OF ****!!! THEY'LL SAY ANYTHING TO GET WHAT THEY WANT!!!1 JUST LIKE THEY DID WITH IRAQ!!!!

There's no real evidence here.

And mooks like you continue to fall for it. Goering would be proud.

[DinoDoc]

Is Slaughtermeyer your DL?

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Agathon

George W Bush has the intellect of an ameoba;

You're being quite harsh on innocent single-celled organisms, aren't you ?


Still, the election of Bush Jr. made ancient Egyptians worshipping beetles that roll dung much more understandable.

[Patroklos]

Is Slaughtermeyer your DL?

Slaughtermeyer at least believes in what he says, Aggie on the other hand as an obvious troll.

[Shrapnel12]

Aggie's not a troll! Iran is our greatest ally! They love us!