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Originally posted by Hueij
Maybe I should save this thread and in a year or so start a thread with quotes from it...
Maybe I should save this thread and in a year or so start a thread with quotes from it...
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It would have been nice for that to be done on every thread about this damnable war. It would make for interesting reading.If you don't like reality, change it! me
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Originally posted by Patroklos
The funny thing is Ramo (I guess I could direct this at Gepap though doing so is definitely beneath me) is that you are criticizing us for not changing our stance based on circumstances on the ground as you run around this thread screaming with your eyes closed and your hands over your ears.
The only thing anyone has said in this thead is progress is being made. Not success, not victory, not inevitable victory. All we say is words like "encouraging" "chance" "maybe" and "progress" and you go off your rocker like we just lit cigars and started pouring brandy.
How can you honestly maintain that more reliable police and military forces are not good?
If you read this thread there is only one person (two now that Gepap thinks he is important enough to comment) making predictions of what will happen and is going to happen in the end and that is you.
And just to show how close you are to desending into Gepap type douchebaggery, look how he claims victory already when the only thing he has ever predicted is complete failure followed by anarchy. Thats called being married to an outcome, no matter what the facts are, and you are so most definitely smarter than that.
In fact I don't think you believe that at all, but are irrationally overreacting to cautious and reserved statements by people you assume you already have pegged, much like I do to you most of the time. Mistakenly I might add.
Not only wrong about Iraq, but wrong about what others think about Iraq. Nice achievement.
but its nice that you acknowledge that evidence is not what you seek when making your viewpoint. This is a fundamentally silly and uselss way to form an opinion, but having seen your opinions on Iraq, obviously it is how you function.If you don't like reality, change it! me
"Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
"it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
"Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard ShawComment
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Hope and pray Gepap, in the end you may still be right for onceever predicted is complete failure followed by anarchy.
"The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.Comment
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Speaking of being married to an outcome, how sad is it that the success of the Democrats in the 2008 election ride on the failure or America? How pathetic are the democratic leaders for wanting us to lose? Betting against your own country just so you can get elected is worse then the terrorists.EViiiiiiL!!! - Mermaid ManComment
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Some democrats.How pathetic are the democratic leaders for wanting us to lose? Betting against your own country just so you can get elected is worse then the terrorists."The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.Comment
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The problem is America fails too much. I blame America.Originally posted by Shrapnel12
Speaking of being married to an outcome, how sad is it that the success of the Democrats in the 2008 election ride on the failure or America? How pathetic are the democratic leaders for wanting us to lose? Betting against your own country just so you can get elected is worse then the terrorists.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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This is such bull****. No Democratic leader WANTS US TO LOSE. None of us want to lose. ****ing A.Originally posted by Shrapnel12
Speaking of being married to an outcome, how sad is it that the success of the Democrats in the 2008 election ride on the failure or America? How pathetic are the democratic leaders for wanting us to lose? Betting against your own country just so you can get elected is worse then the terrorists.
This is the same old slanderous crap that has been slung since the first opposition to the war.
If you think the war is a bad idea, you're a traitor. You're defeatist. It's a disgusting accusation.
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It is fair to say that certain ones have already predicted, even gone so far as guarantee, our failure in their rhetoric. That doesn't mean they want us to lose (unless they are real ********ers), but that their political future is married to this position. Murtha and Reid are good examples.This is such bull****. No Democratic leader WANTS US TO LOSE."The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.Comment
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Sorry Arrian,Originally posted by Arrian
This is such bull****. No Democratic leader WANTS US TO LOSE.
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This is patently not true. Some democratic leaders have even gone so far as to say that sucess in Iraq provides a problem for them that they will have to deal with.
The democrats know that the US is strong enough to survive a defeat in Iraq...it is now all about power for them. As much as I am sure you want to believe it is bull**** that some of our leaders would put power before victory, it is nonetheless a fact."I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003Comment
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"Well, that would be a real big problem for us, no question about that." - Democratic Whip James Clyburn when asked what his party would do if Gen. David Petraeus reports in September that the surge strategy is workingOriginally posted by Arrian
This is such bull****. No Democratic leader WANTS US TO LOSE. None of us want to lose. ****ing A.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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Let's face it, the thing that's really turning people against this war is the rising death toll of American soldiers (except the looney left as they are just naturally against everything). For every soldier's death, that's another vote for the democrats. Democrats want us to just withdraw because they know what a disaster it will be. They can blame Bush for all the deaths that will follow from a retreat, but they can claim what a good thing they did by getting us out when they did. In addition all this defeatist talk is demoralizing to the troops, causing further deaths. Finally all this infighting causes politicians to make judgement errors as they try to maneuver around each other and appease the masses. Democrats are making it hard for the government to get our troops what they need by fighting every decision it makes. Whether you agree with the war or disagree with the war, if you don't understand how losing the war will be bad for us, then you don't understand warfare.Originally posted by Arrian
This is such bull****. No Democratic leader WANTS US TO LOSE. None of us want to lose. ****ing A.
This is the same old slanderous crap that has been slung since the first opposition to the war.
If you think the war is a bad idea, you're a traitor. You're defeatist. It's a disgusting accusation.
-ArrianEViiiiiiL!!! - Mermaid ManComment
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Wow, this thread has degenerated to a whole new level of patheticness. A Petraeus report (a report whose contents we already basically know, and one that's being written by the White House) that says "we would be foolish to back away from [our strategy]" becomes the definition of success in Iraq? You're not this dumb, Dino..."Well, that would be a real big problem for us, no question about that." - Democratic Whip James Clyburn when asked what his party would do if Gen. David Petraeus reports in September that the surge strategy is working
"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Your confusing Ramo, are we or are we not listening to the Pentagon now?A Petraeus report (a report whose contents we already basically know, and one that's being written by the White House) that says "we would be foolish to back away from [our strategy]" becomes the definition of success in Iraq?Last edited by Patroklos; August 23, 2007, 11:54."The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.Comment
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When did I say that I mindlessly followed the dictates of the Pentagon? Listening to them doesn't mean taking orders from them. Another straw man...
I repeat, to say that a Petraeus report written by the White House that says we shouldn't leave is the definition of success is unfathomably idiotic."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Not me. My opposition (which started out fairly mild and has gotten stronger over time) is based on the lack of results. US casualties are merely one symptom of that. I started out extremely dubious as to the goals of this thing (and the justification), and my fears have been realized.Let's face it, the thing that's really turning people against this war is the rising death toll of American soldiers
Right, so we should never ever criticize.In addition all this defeatist talk is demoralizing to the troops, causing further deaths.
"You go to war with the army you have, not the army you wish you had." But yeah, it's the Dems who didn't provide the troops with the proper equipment.Democrats are making it hard for the government to get our troops what they need by fighting every decision it makes.
As for the last part, of COURSE I understand that losing a war is bad for us.
For the record, as I've said in the past, I remain against immediate withdrawl (though I am getting closer and closer to believing that it's too far gone) because of the likely consequences of it. But that doesn't mean we should trust the idiots who planned and executed this thing. Oy.
-ArrianLast edited by Arrian; August 23, 2007, 11:54.grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!
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