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  • UK accuses Russian of murdering ex-KGB spy

    It's nice to see the British police haven't dropped this case due to Russian government opposition. Finally, there is a man being charged for murdering the FSB/KGB defector in London last year.

    LONDON - British prosecutors on Tuesday requested the extradition of former KGB agent Andrei Lugovoi to face a charge of murder in the poisoning death of former operative Alexander Litvinenko, officials said.

    Lugovoi met Litvinenko at a London hotel only hours before Litvinenko became ill with polonium-210 poisoning. He has repeatedly denied any involvement in the case during interviews with the police and media.

    The Interfax news agency on Tuesday cited the Russian prosecutor-general’s office as saying it will not turn over Lugovoi to British authorities.

    ‘Murder is murder’
    The politically charged case has driven relations between London and Moscow to post-Cold War lows. Foreign Secretary Margaret Beckett summoned the Russian ambassador and Prime Minister Tony Blair’s spokesman said the government expected full cooperation.

    “Murder is murder, this is a very serious case,” Blair’s spokesman said while speaking to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity in line with government policy. “The manner of the murder was also very serious because of the risks to public health.”

    Blair’s spokesman said Russia and Britain had a formal extradition agreement but he declined to comment on previous claims from Moscow that it would not surrender its citizens to British authorities.

    The Kremlin declined to comment.

    Litvinenko, 43, died Nov. 23 after ingesting the rare radioactive isotope. On his deathbed, he accused President Vladimir Putin of being behind his killing. The Russian government denies involvement.

    The former agent had become a vocal Kremlin critic who accused Russian authorities of being behind deadly 1999 apartment building bombings that stoked support for a renewed offensive against separatists in Chechnya. Litvinenko was also a close associate of slain investigative journalist Anna Politkovskaya.

    “I would like to thank the police and the (prosecutors) for all their hard work in investigating the murder of my husband,” Litvinenko’s widow Marina said. “It is thanks to them that we have reached the point today of having a named person to be charged with this crime.”

    UK-Russia relations plummet
    The charges signal a new low in relations between London and Moscow. In a speech to Russian ambassadors last year, Putin laid out his foreign policy goals and urged them to strengthen relations with the “leading” EU countries of Italy, France, Germany and Spain. Notably, Britain was snubbed.

    In January 2006, Russia’s Federal Security Service, the FSB, accused four British diplomats of spying, after a state-run television report said British diplomats had contacted Russian agents using communications equipment hidden in a fake rock in a Moscow park.

    The FSB said one of the diplomats had provided money for non-governmental organizations and used the episode to justify a crackdown on NGOs.

    Anti-Kremlin exile
    The Kremlin is also angry that Britain has given refuge to Boris Berezovsky, once an influential Kremlin insider under former President Boris Yeltsin, but who fell out with Putin and fled to Britain in 2000 to avoid a money-laundering investigation he says was politically motivated.

    Russian investigators questioned Berezovsky in a parallel investigation into the murder earlier this year.

    Berezovsky said that the charges against Lugovoi point directly to the Kremlin because such an audacious and complicated killing would not be possible without state support.

    “I am a 100 percent sure that the British government understands the importance of this case,” Berezovsky said.
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    It will be interesting to find out if the accused ever spills the beans on who told him to do it or if he acted alone. Of course the real proof will be if Putin allows this guy to be extradited for trail. If he doesn't then it likely was an official act of the FSB.
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    • #3
      If Putin cared about being caught he wouldn't have had the guy killed with whatever that stuff was. Putin is untouchable, or at least he must believe so.
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      • #4
        I'm not sure if this such a good idea.

        The way this has been handled is not exactly the best possible. IF it was some kind of an assassination (and not just random murder), well, there's problems with it. I don't think it's such a good idea to make it a big case, taunt another nation for it to basically give someone up.

        THe minute they'll give up the person, that person is already labeled guilty, because of the assassination cloud hanging over him and being nailed by the media. So how does the state act... ? If they got hte dude and he is guilty, why give him up? If it was an assassination, don't give him up. If it WASN'T, do not give him up.

        I don't see how Russia would give up this man, because of the nature of this case, guilty or not. So this is why I think this case was scewed up from the beginning.
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        • #5
          Supposedly polonium is so hard to get only a government can get their hands on it. So I'd be surprised if someone could just find it and use it as a poison.

          If the Russia government wasn't involved then giving the guy over for trial would be a nice way for them to show it. Of course, if they did do it then they'll never let their agent be sold down river. Like I said if Putin doesn't give this guy up then we pretty much have our answer even if it can't be proved in court that the FSB did it.
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          • #6
            I mean let's turn the tables around, say an ex CIA dude is killed in... Poland. And they suspect it was an active CIA guy who did it and was ordered to do the hit.

            What do you do? Make big tabloids that the US must give up this guy to Poland, because it happened in their territory? And if the state bothers to respond and says 'It wasn't ours'. What do you do? Demand the guy over? I don't think so.

            I mean... sure, but it's not like that's very realistic and because it isn't realistic at all, why would you make such a big deal out of it, almost political.

            FOR ONCE I think I will agree with Serb here .
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            • #7
              Oerdin, I disagree. I definitely disagree. If I was the head of state and could make a decision and I KNEW our guy wasn't the assassin and in fact none of our guys were... I would not give him up just to 'clear air' or show that we have nothing to hide. No way.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Pekka
                I mean let's turn the tables around, say an ex CIA dude is killed in... Poland. And they suspect it was an active CIA guy who did it and was ordered to do the hit.

                What do you do? Make big tabloids that the US must give up this guy to Poland, because it happened in their territory? And if the state bothers to respond and says 'It wasn't ours'. What do you do? Demand the guy over? I don't think so.

                I mean... sure, but it's not like that's very realistic and because it isn't realistic at all, why would you make such a big deal out of it, almost political.

                FOR ONCE I think I will agree with Serb here .
                Isn't Italy after some CIA guys for renditions done on Italian soil? Will the US give them up?
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                • #9
                  I mean, it's about getting this whole spy and assassin game into public and stopping the game and shouting 'You must give up this guy to our courts'. I just don't think it's a good idea, and this alone doesn't say anything if the guy was acting on the behalf of the state IMO. I mean they could have evidence that says so, but not giving him up in my mind makes no difference, could be not guilty as well, I wouldn't give the guy up.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Wezil
                    Isn't Italy after some CIA guys for renditions done on Italian soil? Will the US give them up?
                    That's the first thing that came to my mind. However, the Italians were in on that job.
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                    • #11
                      Process of elimination, I didn't do it. Anyone without access to polonium didn't do it. That leaves Putin, yes? Unless it was a frame up...

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Pekka
                        I mean, it's about getting this whole spy and assassin game into public and stopping the game and shouting 'You must give up this guy to our courts'. I just don't think it's a good idea, and this alone doesn't say anything if the guy was acting on the behalf of the state IMO. I mean they could have evidence that says so, but not giving him up in my mind makes no difference, could be not guilty as well, I wouldn't give the guy up.
                        I disagree. The last thing I want to see is all sorts of Chinese dissidents showing up murdered in my neighborhood. You need to make it a big deal in order to extract a price. Let me be clear that this is something real in my neighborhood. We can't have this ****.

                        On the other hand, Putin might not be averse to a little publicity, if he thinks that it will have a chilling impact on those who might go against him.
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                        • #13
                          Killing all these Chinese dissidents would not be the same as playing the spy game. I'm not saying murder is OK, even in spy game, but it is different than killing dissidents.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Wezil


                            Isn't Italy after some CIA guys for renditions done on Italian soil? Will the US give them up?
                            No, because they are guilty and Bush knows it. The same sort of logic applies with Putin's Polonium sushi. They're guilty and they know it.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Pekka
                              Killing all these Chinese dissidents would not be the same as playing the spy game. I'm not saying murder is OK, even in spy game, but it is different than killing dissidents.
                              I don't think that these folks make such fine distinctions as you do.
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