Where to live?

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Arguing with you is pointless. I've already explained twice why those numbers don't account for the whole greater LA area of 17.75 million people and you've refused to account for it preferring instead to throw insults.

Read the wiki article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Los_Angeles_Area

Greater LA sprawls over FIVE counties yet you have only accounted for one county. Saying metro LA still only counts for LA county itself where as it is actually much, much larger. You are just wrong.

As of 2005, the official estimate of the population of the Los Angeles metropolitan area is more than 12.9 million, while the larger five-county region has a population of over 17.6 million.

Also you're using data from the year 2000 while I'm using data from 2005 for the entire greater LA area. My data is simply newer and includes the whole of greater LA where as you are just being intentionally obtuse.

[Kontiki]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Arguing with you is pointless. I've already explained twice why those numbers don't account for the whole greater LA area of 17.75 million people and you've refused to account for it preferring instead to throw insults.

Read the wiki article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Los_Angeles_Area

Greater LA sprawls over FIVE counties yet you have only accounted for one county. Saying metro LA still only counts for LA county itself where as it is actually much, much larger. You are just wrong.



Also you're using data from the year 2000 while I'm using data from 2005 for the entire greater LA area. My data is simply newer and includes the whole of greater LA where as you are just being intentionally obtuse.

Let me try to explain this to you like a 5 year old, which might still be too advanced for you:

The first link I provided - FROM THE US CENSUS BUREAU - gives a figure for all of METRO LA, NOT JUST LA COUNTY. Other info from the US CENSUS BUREAU shows that for METRO LA, NOT JUST LA COUNTY, 61% of METRO LA'S, NOT JUST LA COUNTY'S immigrants are from Latin America. METRO LA, NOT JUST LA COUNTY had 4.7 million TOTAL (THAT MEANS INCLUDING LATIN AMERICANS) foreign born people in 2000. That means that about 1.8 million NON-LATIN AMERICAN immigrants live in METRO LA, NOT JUST LA COUNTY. That compares to 2.1 million NON LATIN AMERICAN immigrants in Toronto, a city 2-3 times smaller than METRO LA, NOT JUST LA COUNTY.

However, I also pointed out that JUST LA COUNTY, which in itself is more than 2 times the size of Toronto, has many times fewer immigrants from Europe and the Caribbean (just two examples). I never said LA COUNTY = METRO LA, but again, the data from the US CENSUS BUREAU shows METRO LA, NOT JUST LA COUNTY.

The data is from 2000 BECAUSE THAT'S THE LATEST CENSUS DATA AVAILABLE. That's also why I used 2001 data from Toronto. Believe it or not, immigration and overall growth hasn't stopped in Toronto just as it hasn't stopped in LA during the subsequent years.

I've thrown the insults because apparently on top of not being able to spell, you can't click links, read or do math, yet consider yourself a functional, university educated adult.

[Kuciwalker]

Kontiki, the problem is that you need figures for the whole LA metro area, not just LA county.

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Read the frigging wiki article. Population of city of LA: 4,018,080

Population of LA Metro area (meaning just the cities immediately adjacent to the city of LA and not even all in LA County): 12.9 million

Population of the Five County Area which is known as Greater LA: 17.7 million

The entire time I have been talking about Greater LA also known as the five county area!!!!! Statistics for LA city or metro LA DO NOT COUNT THE ENTIRE POPULATION OF THE GREATER LA AREA! Did you get that through your thick skull? You are using statistics which ignore around 6-8 million people in the greater LA area.

[lord of the mark]

"The Greater Los Angeles Area, or the Southland, is the agglomeration of urbanized area around the city of Los Angeles, California. There are two "official" definitions — the Los Angeles metropolitan area consisting only of Los Angeles and Orange County, and the Combined Statistical Area (a group of interacting metropolitan areas) sprawled over five counties in the southern part of California, namely Los Angeles County, Orange County, San Bernardino County, Riverside County and Ventura County. "

Of course ive never heard that Riverside County was exactly filled with west indians and europeans, but last time I was in LA I hardly made it out of Santa Monica/Westwood.

Last time I was in Toronto, I hardly made it out of downtown.

I definitely got more of a feel of 'cosmopolitan' in LA than in Toronto, but that may not match up to immigrant numbers, aside from my limited exposure.

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I'm sure you will continue to argue based upon statistics for City of LA, Metro LA, or County of LA but you are not understanding that since the very beginning I have been talking about Greater LA.

These are all standard phrases used here in California and listed in wiki. It shouldn't be difficult to understand.

[Kontiki]

Sigh...

From the census link I posted:

Los Angeles-Riverside-Orange County CMSA

from http://www.census.gov/acs/www/Produc...000US44721.htm

Los Angeles-Riverside-Orange County CMSA: Total population (2003) 16,952,160.

I would assume the US Census Bureau keeps its definitions of the Los Angeles-Riverside-Orange County CMSA consistent.

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This whole thing is boiling down to Kontiki throwing around phrases he doesn't understand. I've explained the differences to him three times now and it is unlikely he's going to change so it is really pointless to continue.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Kontiki

I would assume the US Census Bureau keeps its definitions of the Los Angeles-Riverside-Orange County CMSA consistent.

You are only counting 3 of the 5 counties in Greater LA. You're still not grouping things as people in LA group them. Next time you go to LA turn on the radio or TV and notice how they're always using terms like "The Southland", "Greater LA", and "The five county area". They all mean the same thing... The Greater LA area which is what I've been talking about since the beginning. You are continually refering to just subsections of Greater LA.

[Kontiki]

Originally posted by Oerdin
This whole thing is boiling down to Kontiki throwing around phrases he doesn't understand. I've explained the differences to him three times now and it is unlikely he's going to change so it is really pointless to continue.

You mean like the Los Angeles-Riverside-Orange County CMSA? Oh wait, it's not me making that mistake....

[Kontiki]

Originally posted by Oerdin


You are only counting 3 of the 5 counties in Greater LA. You're still not grouping things as people in LA group them.

I'm not grouping anything. The US Census Bureau is, and that area has substantially the same population you are using. I suppose it's beyond you to consider that just because they call it the Los Angeles-Riverside-Orange County CMSA, it might not only count those three counties.

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Los Angeles-Riverside-Orange County CMSA does not include western Riverside and San Bernardino Counties which have been the fastest growing parts of Greater LA for almost a decade. You are lopping off 2 out of 5 counties in Greater LA. This isn't rocket science. I'm sure you can figure it out if you really, really tried.

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Summary of debate so far:

Kontiki: Toronto is the BESTEST EVAR!!!

Oerdin: LA is way more cosmopolitan then Toronto.

Kontiki: STFU! Here is a UN opinion and data on 2 counties in the LA area!

Oerdin: Greater LA is made up of five counties which have way more immigrants then Toronto. Even so LA is simply a much more cosmopolitan place.

Kontiki: LOL!1! LOL!1! Here is data on three counties in the LA area.

Oerdin: Dude, I already told you Greater LA is made up of five counties. You're ignoring 2/5ths of Greater LA.

Kontiki: SHUT UP!!!!! I'm winning!!1 (Gives himself a big huge and sits with a smirk on his face.)

Oerdin: What ever. Get back to me when you're willing to consider all of the Greater LA/Five County area.

Kontiki is such a sly and cunning debater.

[Kontiki]

Oerdin, basic math and logic:

You quote 17.7 million people for 2006.
The US Census Bureau quotes 17 million for 2003.

Do you still think they're lopping off two counties and 6-8 million people?

BTW, did you click the links in your Wiki article for the population statistics? I'm guessing no. The one next to the 17.7 million number links to a US Census Bureau table, showing LA as CSA #348. Look up CSA #348 (here, I'll save you the trouble: http://www.census.gov/population/est...city/List6.txt):

348 Los Angeles-Long Beach-Riverside, CA Combined Statistical Area
348 31100 Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA Metropolitan Statistical Area
348 37100 Oxnard-Thousand Oaks-Ventura, CA Metropolitan Statistical Area
348 40140 Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA Metropolitan Statistical Area

From here: http://www.census.gov/population/www...bsa-06-fmt.csv

CSA #438 estimated population July 2003 17.2 million.

What are they lopping off again?

[Asher]

Oerdin: LA is way more cosmopolitan then Toronto.

Now, I'm no fan of Toronto...but there's no way this is true.

Having a lot of latinos and black people doesn't make it more cosmopolitan or diverse.