Where to live?

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Asher

Oerdin: LA is way more cosmopolitan then Toronto.

Now, I'm no fan of Toronto...but there's no way this is true.

Having a lot of latinos and black people doesn't make it more cosmopolitan or diverse.

and asians of every variety.

[Dinner]

I'll break it down for you since you are having such a hard time figuring it out.

In post #132 you took immigration figures from 2000 which only covered LA county and then used that figure to cover all of greater LA leaving off 4/5ths of Greater LA.

Next, in the same post, you posted a profile of the average immigrant for the entire United States which is an extremely different profile from what is found in a major city like LA.

Also in the same post you posted 2001 data for the entire Toronto Metro area after which you falsely declared victory. Your errors were pointed out to you and you responded with childish insults. A true sign of someone winning.

In post #115 I had posted the break down for the entire Greater LA area showing the immigrant population of all of Greater LA was 2-3 times Toronto metro area with a total population of 4-5 times higher thus proving that LA was more cosmopolitan then Toronto.

Finally in post 202 you posted Census data form yet another year dealing only with 3 of the 5 counties which make up Greater LA.

My point still stands unrefuted. Greater LA has 4-5 times as many people, 3-4 times as many immigrants, plus the large scale foreign immigration has been going on for longer and to much higher degree then it has at Toronto (this is refected in the area's much larger population. That means there are a hell of a lot more second and third generation immigrants who still speak and identify with their old home countries which you are not counting. LA is simply more cosmopolitan then Toronto, has way more people from different parts of the world, and that cosmopolitanism is reflected much more visably then in Toronto due to the greater affluence and larger economy.

In LA you can eat food from any part of the world exactly as it is served in its home country. There is more of EVERYTHING including immigrants and children of immigrants, there are more foreign languages spoken (though many are spoken bilingually as second generation children of immigrants; especially the children of European immigrants). In short Toronto is not on the same level LA is; it is still a nice place but it can't be compared to places like New York and LA. It's more of a Chicago.

[-Jrabbit]

While fairly amusing, this argument is way off topic.
LA isn't even on Asher's list.

[Dinner]

Agreed.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by lord of the mark

and asians of every variety.

Not forgeting the rather large middle eastern and south Asian populations as well. There have been recent waves of eastern Europeans and large numbers of western Europeans during the 1945-1965 period. Most of those older immigrants still speak their native language and most of the kids speak it as well as English. There is a reason why LA is over run with Fashion, movie, TV, and industry titans of all types while Toronto is a second tier city. Still, valuable and a nice place to live but internationally it isn't an LA, New York, or London.

Los Angeles (41.3 percent). Cite for foreign born population as a percentage of total population for LA: http://usgovinfo.about.com/cs/census...gnborn.htmCite

I found another website with the 35% figure and used the 35% figure instead of the higher 41% figure.

[Kontiki]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Summary of debate so far:

Kontiki: Toronto may be the most cosmopolitan city in the world based on cultures represented/languages spoken. No claim made to greatness, since Kontiki doesn't think Toronto is even close to the greatest

Oerdin: LA is way more cosmopolitan then Toronto.

Kontiki: The UN disagrees with you.

Oerdin: LA has 17 million people. Because it's so big, it must be more cosmopolitan. I'll even pull a number of foreign born people from my ass to prove it.

Kontiki: No, here's the census data.

Oerdin: Dude, it's wrong. It doesn't show all of LA's sprawl.

Kontiki: Yes it does. Take a look at it and stop embarassing yourself.

Oerdin: No, I won't look at it but I say that it's missing two counties.

Kontiki: No, here's some proof.

Oerdin: No, I still say it's missing two counties.

Kontiki: Look at the stuff you're linking to. It says the same thing I am.

Oerdin: No, come back when you're willing to admit that all the data is wrong and I'm right.

Fixed

[Dinner]

Dman, I agreed and then posted again. That was my last post on LA in this thread. Promise.

[lord of the mark]

btw the UN study counts different national origins, right?

So a city with Jamaicans AND Barbadians AND Trinidadians would have three nationalities, while one with Viet Namese, ethnic Chinese from Viet Nam, and Montangards, would have only one nationality (all Viet Namese) right?

[Dinner]

Yes, basically it just summed up foreign born population as a percentage of total population then compared the national origin of those people. It provides a very incomplete picture. It doesn't count second or third generation children nor accounts for ethnic minorities with in the various countries. That's why it is bollucks as most simplistic UN reports are.

[KrazyHorse]

FFS, guys. Here are the foreign born populations for the 5 counties of "Greater Los Angeles" excluding those born in Latin America:

Los Angeles County 1306000
Ventura County 51000
Orange County 400000
San Bernardino County 90000
Riverside County 75000

TOTAL 1922000

Here are the populations of Latin American born:

Los Angeles County 2143000
Ventura County 105000
Orange County 450000
San Bernardino County 229000
Riverside County 219000

TOTAL 3156000

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by -Jrabbit
LA isn't even on Asher's list.

Poor guy

[Dinner]

Still leaving off second generation figures most of whom still speak their parents native language. It's a good starting place though.

[lord of the mark]

Little Tokyo in LA is a distinctive area that adds to LAs diversity, yet there are probably very few Japanese-born Angelenos.

[Zkribbler]

My best friend's wife was born in Japan.

[Asher]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
and asians of every variety.

Gee, we don't have those outside of LA.

I was a minority in high school as a white guy, and Toronto's even worse.

US=Melting Pot, Canada=Mosaic, etc.

While US has tons of whites, blacks, and hispanics, Canada has tons of whites and tons of a million other ethnicities. When I go to LA I don't get the impression of a cosmopolitan city, I get the impression of a Spanish, Black, and White city.